Hermann Goering

**Stig** · 10-23-2006, 00:10

I think the Indians, tho that is a complete different story.

And Csar is right. The Jews weren't really liked in Europe. Look at the Catholic Church that didn't do anything about it, ofcourse they couldn't stop it, but they could tell it to the world.

**Derfasciti** · 10-23-2006, 00:20

I was speaking of the native americans.

So what if they didn't overtly put them into camps and condemn them to death? They might as well have.

**Csargo** · 10-23-2006, 00:22

Originally Posted by Derfasciti

I was speaking of the native americans.

So what if they didn't overtly put them into camps and condemn them to death? They might as well have.

True but that's not quite as bad a massive Death Camps.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 10-23-2006, 02:47

Originally Posted by Csar

True but that's not quite as bad a massive Death Camps.

May I point out the atrocities of the Boer Wars? Admittedly, it was the British, but a good example nonetheless.

**Csargo** · 10-23-2006, 02:56

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

May I point out the atrocities of the Boer Wars? Admittedly, it was the British, but a good example nonetheless.

Yes plus the Turkish in the 1917s there are so many atrocities throughout history.

**Mount Suribachi** · 10-23-2006, 09:51

Yes there are. But the Holocaust trumps them all. This was an attempt to wipe out an entire people on an industrial scale. And furthermore it was done in a supposedly modern, enlightened age. In a post WW1 world were mankind was supposed to have put all that kind of stuff behind him. In one of the most educated countries on Earth. Stuff like the Boer war is hardly worth mentioning compared to the Holocaust.

As for someone to pin the blame on, even if we'd caught Hitler alive, I'm pretty sure that Goering would have been tried and sentanced to death. Hell, Stalin wanted every single German officer executed without trial till Churchill persuaded him otherwise......

**Franconicus** · 10-23-2006, 10:47

If you talk about Göring, do not forget that he was not only the founder and leader of the Luftwaffe. He was also former head of the police and founder of the Gestapo. Therefore, he wwas one of the major creator of the terror system in Germany. Needless to discuss whether he knew of the crimes.

He was also responsible for the war economy. His failures here were even worse than as a leader of the air force.

**Kralizec** · 10-24-2006, 12:05

Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi

Yes there are. But the Holocaust trumps them all. This was an attempt to wipe out an entire people on an industrial scale. And furthermore it was done in a supposedly modern, enlightened age. In a post WW1 world were mankind was supposed to have put all that kind of stuff behind him. In one of the most educated countries on Earth. Stuff like the Boer war is hardly worth mentioning compared to the Holocaust.

The war crimes perpetrated at the Ostfront trumps even the holocaust. The Germans didn't go there just to subjegate like with France or the low countries, but with the intent of freeing up lebensraum for future German colonists. The Germans murdered an estimated 17 million Russian civilians.
General Eisenhower had this to say:
"When we flew into Russia, in 1945, I did not see a house standing between the western borders of the country and the area around Moscow. Through this overrun region, Marshal Zhukov told me, so many numbers of women, children and old men had been killed that the Russian Government would never be able to estimate the total."

I don't recall having heard or seen this mentioned even once while I was in high school, and it's not made up.