What was wrong exactly with RTW MP?
Re: Will you Be Doing the MP on MTW2??
What was wrong exactly with RTW MP?
"He could hear her still at times. Promise me, she had cried, in a room that smelled of blood and roses, Promise me, Ned. The fever had taken her strength and her voice had been faint as a whisper, but when he gave her his word, the fear had gone out of his sister's eyes."
Eddard and Lyanna Stark about Jon Snow Targaryen.
Re: Will you Be Doing the MP on MTW2??
Wrong at multiple levels, compound together making it untenable.Originally Posted by TheImp
Don't want to make it sounds like whining, but here are some that came on top of my head:
FOYER:
1. color scheme red/yellow make it hard to the eye
2. difficult to maintain private convo and public convo (compared to MTW foyer)
3. cannot ban/ignore idiots
4. hard to know at a glance your buddy is on or in game
5. when your buddy goes in and out of game, he/she is deselected from your list of whom you are talking to. But you didn't know that. So you may end up talking to nobody the whole time and your friend was wondering why nobody was talking to him/her
The above making the foyer very unfriendly place.
GAME ENGINE
1. Impossible to play 4x4 and even 3x3, it is hard to get a decent frame rate, so people played at Normal, which as only 40 men per unit. That made the game looks like school kids running around in playground, not real armies.
2. Cav jumped over spears and kill a lot.
3. Speed of marching is too high, making attack/defense chancy.
4. Speed of units relative to each other is ridiculous: cav can't catch skirmishing archers sometimes.
5. Charge bonus loss when use waypoints (unit stop running in waypoints)
6. Archers could fire from all rank.
BALANCE
Everything is wrong :) Just kidding.
Balance is not bad when play at low denarii (6.5k to 8k) But people insists playing at 15k, which allows filling up the all 20 slots of roman army with legions and roman cav, or 20 cataphracts. Or 20 maidens.
PLAYERS
much less friendly, much less willing to learn. After beating the greek phalanx box for 100 times, I don't feel like beating them again. There is no skill to order 20 cataphracts in wedge running around in single group, overlapping each other.
Last edited by LadyAnn; 11-01-2006 at 17:56.
AggonyJade of the Brotherhood of Aggony, [FF]ladyAn or [FF]Jade of the Freedom Fighters
Re: Will you Be Doing the MP on MTW2??
Very Well Said LadyAnn. People Usally play 12.5K-15K, because 6-8.5K is way way to low for RTW.
RTW MP was and still is horrilbe. Some people are willing to learn and such,but you got majorty of people who don't even care about the history of the clan they joined, yet who they play.
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Time for some arguing..
Well, it is because of the machines not keeping up with the game, not the game or game engine being bad.1. Impossible to play 4x4 and even 3x3, it is hard to get a decent frame rate, so people played at Normal, which as only 40 men per unit. That made the game looks like school kids running around in playground, not real armies.
Well, that was fixed, so no need to talk about.2. Cav jumped over spears and kill a lot.
Gah bah doh.. I wonder how can we live through it..3. Speed of marching is too high, making attack/defense chancy.
Fatigue.4. Speed of units relative to each other is ridiculous: cav can't catch skirmishing archers sometimes.
"Cry, the beloved country, for the unborn child that is the inheritor of our fear. Let him not love the earth too deeply. Let him not laugh too gladly when the water runs through his fingers, nor stand too silent when the setting sun makes red the veld with fire. Let him not be moved when the birds of his land are singing, nor give too much of his heart to a mountain or a valley. For fear will rob him of all if he gives too much."
Cry, the Beloved Country by Alan Paton.
Re: Will you Be Doing the MP on MTW2??
You gotta stay in the argument ;)
The question was "What wrong with RTW MP":
1. Precisely. I rather have MTW engine than RTW engine if the machines can't keep up with the engine. If it were doable in MTW, why not in RTW? "The graphics is much better" the argument goes. What's the use of better graphics but you can't play? BTW, there are plenty of people who didn't realize how poor their machines were and insist on playing with highest resolutions, reflections, grasses, shadows, smokes, etc. They play with background tasks running, etc.
2. Again, I said that was what's wrong for RTW, not M2TW. If it was fixed, good!
3. I clarify:
One unit attack another. Both started as stationary. The defending unit was watching the attacking unit. In one scenario, the defending saw the attacking unit start marching. The defending unit could issue a counter. In another scenario, the defending couldn't see the attacking unit marching, but when they actually see it, the attacking unit is already at melee distance. There is absolutely no chance to issue any counter. It has nothing todo with game play or skill. Speed in STW is fast, yet people could see and react.
4. Fatigue is broken.
You mean an infantry could run as fast as a horse until both get tired? :D
Annie
AggonyJade of the Brotherhood of Aggony, [FF]ladyAn or [FF]Jade of the Freedom Fighters
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