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    PapaSmurf Senior Member Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe's Avatar
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    Default Re: Weak cavalry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Horatius
    Nope I just want them to be worth building since I could build infantry and archers for lower cost and more efficiency. Besides what are you worried about when CA has already announced that recruitment will not be what you want but will be what is available so there will definately be variety in armies, or did you miss almost every announcement they made about the campaign?
    The ultimate test of unit balance is MP. If MPers thinks cavalry are worth it, then indeed, they are. Believe me, I have seen a lot of af all cavalry army, but I have seldom seen army with no cavalry: most of the time they run in the 4-7 cavalry range; that tells me cavalry are hardly worthless... If you're looking at worthless in MTW, look at spear&pike; those were truly worthless, noone would take them...

    Recruitment pool are not a MP feature. Remember that you also needs MP balance...

    Same as the historical, Knights destroy all but there are limited numbers of them and you will need lesser units to support them or you will lose the battle.
    How will you limit knight number in MP? If they are so powerfull, why would any MPer field anything but them?
    Can you think about the gameplay? Just once? Have you ever played online?

    Considering the British Army was the only one not wholly dependent on Knights in Western Europe and even British Armies made very heavy use of knights it would be historical for Western European Armies to depend on their knights but need other units to support them, and I do not mean by distracting while knights go off to the side, since knights were tanks of the battlefield, not assassins.
    I am not aware of any medieval army of significant numbers were knights (am not talking seargent or hobilar here) would make half of the army; it's a situation we already have today, your proposal would make it worse...

    Along with their likely availability that would be good


    It's now fairly obvious you have no idea what this would do to the MP side of the game

    You switched from talking MTW to RTW but that is ok because as Greeks Pontian Cavalry is easily countered by a square of Hoplites with Archers in the middle shooting any horse archer, what's your point?
    Ok, let me sum it up:
    - in MTW MP cavalry are good, players use them a lot, we see all cavalry army, and most of the time an army will have in the 4-7 cavalry units. On the other hand, you'll seldom see a pike or spear unit -> for MTW MP cavalry is already very powerful
    - in RTW MP: balance is non existant to start with... and cavalry is very very clearly overpowered
    - in MTW SP campaign: I can win with cavalry units only, with no archer or infantry whatsoever. I think anyone can. If you read guide, for France or England it often starts with "build hobilar"... The maintnance cost for cavalry in MTW is fairly low compared to their effectiveness. if you think cavalry is useless in SP, you're missing something
    - in RTW SP campaign, you can win building nothing but Pontic light cavalry, or nothing but equites. It's so easy it's almost sick: you're not going to see a square of phalanx in SP because 1: AI will not think of it, and 2: you're going to blitz the map so fast that AI won't have the time to build up enough for it anyway...

    Louis,
    Last edited by Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe; 11-01-2006 at 08:35.
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