What's Your Gender Expression?

[CrossLOPER]

Don't you think that's a bit ironic given that the city passed the law?

I think it's important to point out that "the city" is not always necessarily the majority.

Page 2 krew for the second time today. w00t!

[Prince of the Poodles]

Ding, ding, ding!!! You got it!!!

If I was living in Germany in 1940, it would be perfectly acceptable for me to spit on the closest jew around. Does that make it right?

Yawn... So you're saying that my daughter or wife should just "turn the other cheek" when some pervert comes into the women's bathroom? Nope, even if it means I've offended the freak and you, Princess.

Did you read what I wrote? I agree with you about the bathrooms. I object to you mocking transexuals and calling them freaks just because they dont fit into your definition of normal.

[Duke Malcolm]

Look, if you look down and see a penis, that means you go into a man's restroom because you have a PENIS and not a VAGINA. Now if you look down and you see a vagina, that means you go into a women's restroom.

Transexuals (ones who have had their bits lopped off) are technically neither. They have had their bits made to look like a vagina, but notably lack the female genitals. Thus they are not female. They also cannot see a penis, since they have decided to have someone fiddle around with it to make it look not very much like a penis at all.

[Csargo]

I'm a woman trapped in a man's body HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Doesn't that just sound so stupid?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm a woman trapped in a man's body HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Doesn't that just sound so stupid?

Use some more exclamation points and it won't

[Goofball]

This pretty much happens at any coleseum event in the USA (sports, concerts, etc) where they serve beer. Men don't mind at all. I suppose you could theoretically claim the legal right to enter the women's room, but who would want to? Takes 3 times as long.

Ironside, is it Sweden where public restrooms are unisex?

They were at a few of the nightclubs I went to in Seoul. Didn't bother me, nor the girls apparently. It was a novel experience having two little Korean hotties come up and start talking to me while I was standing at the urinal...

At any rate, it's good to see the usual suspects are getting completely bent out of shape and puking up hatred over something this inconsequential (and I'm not talking about you, Don).

[Kanamori]

Was it voted on?

The law was voted on by the council.

I think it's important to point out that "the city" is not always necessarily the majority.

I don't think so, my thoughts aren't going to change much, alone.

[Devastatin Dave]

At any rate, it's good to see the usual suspects are getting completely bent out of shape and puking up hatred over something this inconsequential

BARF!!!

[DemonArchangel]

BARF!!!

Oh well Dave, it's nice that due to the stress of this thread, you're losing roughly 1-5 minutes of life per post. Don't you feel GOOD about yourself?

[Goofball]

Actually, there's hardly need for pondering. Men go into the men's restroom, whether their dressed as freaks or not, and women go into the women's restroom. We don't have to be tolerant of people who try and force their lifestyle on the public.

So I don't need to be tolerant of those "freaks" who want to force my kids to pray to their particular god in school, or teach their fairy tale stories in science classes?

I only mention it because you seem to be so against people trying to force their lifestyles on others...

[Crazed Rabbit]

So I don't need to be tolerant of those "freaks" who want to force my kids to pray to their particular god in school, or teach their fairy tale stories in science classes?

No.

According to who? The majority? I really dont put much faith in what the majority deems correct or incorrect behavior. What is normal and what is freakish is subject to change. Cultural norms should never be used to cruelly demean those who dont fit into a particular box.

You were talking about instincts. Objectively speaking, this behavior is unusual and goes against how the vast majority of people behave instinctually.

What doesnt make sense to me is demeaning these people by calling them immature names that are reminiscent of the school yard. The vast majority of these people dont choose to feel the way they wish, just as people dont choose their race or their eye color.

Its like if you dont remember to label them, they'll take over or something.

From Merriam-Webster:
Freak: 3 : one that is markedly unusual or abnormal

Crazed makes the point that women will feel uncomfortable. That's why it's important for this to be allowed. Gay people hugging in public makes a lot of people uncomfortable as well. If they see it often enough society will eventually accept it and we have less homophobia. It's the only way to change things.

I have heard that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Accordingly, I fail to see how public displays of gay men hugging will dissuade the truly homophobic. It also seems you are lumping people who don't like to look at gay men hugging in with homophobes.

Sasaki, if you were talking about transexuals just being out in public, than that's one thing. But it is quite another for them to invade the private space of the bathroom. Forcing people to get used to something doesn't make it right.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I have heard that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Accordingly, I fail to see how public displays of gay men hugging will dissuade the truly homophobic. It also seems you are lumping people who don't like to look at gay men hugging in with homophobes.

Yes. At least those who don't mind looking at a man and a woman hugging. And don't nitpick the word, you know what I mean.

There are plenty of people who are disgusted by homosexuality until they actually get exposed to the real world.

Sasaki, if you were talking about transexuals just being out in public, than that's one thing. But it is quite another for them to invade the private space of the bathroom. Forcing people to get used to something doesn't make it right.

CR

Yeah, but since it is right it makes sense to push people to get over their silly qualms. Since when are PUBLIC bathrooms private places? It's the private stalls that are private.

[BigTex]

Isn't "tolerance" so wonderful?
I miss the good old days when FREAKS, yes FREAKS like this use to be in asylums where they should be NOW...

That's horrible. Locking people up because they were born with a problem in their brain is not right. Going back 50 years to when we did is disgusting, considering all the experimentation that went on in drug research on those people all because the were labled freak is disgusting. We don't need to lock people up because the majority disagree with their actions.

As for the subject at hand. Bathrooms are segregated by gender for the reason of making people comfortable in a public area while using the toilet. If the guy couldn't pull off a women well enough then yes they need to leave the womens restroom if their making them uncomfortable. As for the mens restroom, everyones welcomed there.

Btw with this line of judgement being acceptable. I demand a Texan restroom. Siting next to a yank and pinching a loaf makes me feel uncomforatble! Trying to use the urinal around them gives me stage fright, I demand a Texan bathroom. I've even found the symbol they can use for it.

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Speak softly and carry tactical nukes.

BigTex

Ridicolus
"Hilary Clinton is the devil"
~Texas proverb

[Csargo]

I don't think I'de want Chuck Norris around when I'm peeing.

[Vuk]

I like how people assume trangender people are also rapists lol. If someone wants to rape someone they aren't going to care if the rules say they aren't allowed in the woman's bathroom.

Crazed makes the point that women will feel uncomfortable. That's why it's important for this to be allowed. Gay people hugging in public makes a lot of people uncomfortable as well. If they see it often enough society will eventually accept it and we have less homophobia. It's the only way to change things.

You can go to the FBI website and see, multi/transgender people commit acts of sexual violence over twice as many times as straight people. If you want to let guys into the woman's rest rooms, make the restrooms unisex. It makes no sense to have a Woman's restroom if you're going to let guys into. What you say about women being homophobic is Bullshit if you'll pardon my French. If a straight guy decides he has an obsesion with women's toilets and goes into a woman's restroom she would get just as uncomfortable. As a matter a fact, I would feel pretty darn uncomfortable if a woman (straight or not) came into the guts resteroom while I was there.
Women's restrooms are for women and guy's restrooms are for guys.

[Vuk]

That is so f***ed up. In fact, its the direct opposite.

Most gay guys get along better with women, but have not interest in laying them.



Proof?

I turn down meaningless sex far more than my straight friends. There will always be whores - straight or gay.



What the hell?

Maybe you dont understand homosexuality. If all these gay guys were having sex with girls, what makes them gay?



Show me statistics? Show me proof...

Gay guys are the guys who have such a confused view on reality (and are on average perverts. (I'm not saying all are, but studies show that gays have sex much more often than straights, are more likely to sleep with multiple partners in their lifetime, engage in kinky practices more often, and commit beastiality more often.)
They are guys who want to be woman, and so fantasice that they are, including dressing as one. I always wanted to be President of the United States of America, but I didn't go around like a wacko pretending I was.

You are right, there are always whores, but studies (including government surveys) show that Gays are more of whores on average. A lot of gays will rape a woman to show dominance over her. It is all well and good for you, a gay, to say that womendon't have to worry about gays, but look at FBI statistics (of their main website) - they certainly do. I have known to gay men from my small community that BOTH ended up raping women (one a seven year old girl, not even a woman). They were good friends of mine that women felt completely at ease around; they thought they were cute and funny, and safe. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with gays, but a woman's restroom is a woman's restroom. A guy is a guy, even if he wants to be a woman - I want to be President. Does that mean the Government should make me President?

[Vuk]

Yes. At least those who don't mind looking at a man and a woman hugging. And don't nitpick the word, you know what I mean.

There are plenty of people who are disgusted by homosexuality until they actually get exposed to the real world.



Yeah, but since it is right it makes sense to push people to get over their silly qualms. Since when are PUBLIC bathrooms private places? It's the private stalls that are private.

Ya they are private places, so lets let both genders in...and sheep, and goats, and automobilies...

[Vuk]

So I don't need to be tolerant of those "freaks" who want to force my kids to pray to their particular god in school, or teach their fairy tale stories in science classes?

I only mention it because you seem to be so against people trying to force their lifestyles on others...

On the contrary, you seem determined to force your lifestyle on us. People of different opinions and preferrences always dissagree and argue, sexual segregation was designed to stop this as well as protect women.

There'll always be guys, no matter what they claim their sexual preference to be, who are going to want to rape women; It is in women's best interests to keep men out of their bathrooms. You're not sexist are you Goofballs?

[Major Robert Dump]

If a man has sex with a transgender who thinks he's a woman, does that make the man gay? I'm not asking for me, it's for a friend.

[Goofball]

So I don't need to be tolerant of those "freaks" who want to force my kids to pray to their particular god in school, or teach their fairy tale stories in science classes?

I only mention it because you seem to be so against people trying to force their lifestyles on others...

On the contrary, you seem determined to force your lifestyle on us. People of different opinions and preferrences always dissagree and argue, sexual segregation was designed to stop this as well as protect women.

There'll always be guys, no matter what they claim their sexual preference to be, who are going to want to rape women; It is in women's best interests to keep men out of their bathrooms. You're not sexist are you Goofballs?

Your reply makes no sense. I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I mean that literally. I have read it several times and I really have no idea what you are trying to say.

What lifestyle of mine am I trying to force on everybody else by objecting to mandatory school prayer?

What gay man would ever want to rape women?

Why do you insist on placing women in the victim role?

I have many other questions, but I'll start with those.

[Prince of the Poodles]

Gay guys are the guys who have such a confused view on reality (and are on average perverts. (I'm not saying all are, but studies show that gays have sex much more often than straights, are more likely to sleep with multiple partners in their lifetime, engage in kinky practices more often, and commit beastiality more often.)
They are guys who want to be woman, and so fantasice that they are, including dressing as one. I always wanted to be President of the United States of America, but I didn't go around like a wacko pretending I was.

You are right, there are always whores, but studies (including government surveys) show that Gays are more of whores on average. A lot of gays will rape a woman to show dominance over her. It is all well and good for you, a gay, to say that womendon't have to worry about gays, but look at FBI statistics (of their main website) - they certainly do. I have known to gay men from my small community that BOTH ended up raping women (one a seven year old girl, not even a woman). They were good friends of mine that women felt completely at ease around; they thought they were cute and funny, and safe. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with gays, but a woman's restroom is a woman's restroom. A guy is a guy, even if he wants to be a woman - I want to be President. Does that mean the Government should make me President?

There is so much wrong with this post.

In any event, I looked through the FBI website, but I only found statistics on gay people being beaten and killed because of their sexual orientation. Maybe you could post a direct link?

[Kralizec]

This reminds me of a story.

A long, long time ago (actually about 6 monts ago) there was an election in Italy, and Italy then had its first transgender MP. Some other MP pondered about what would happen if transgender MP's need to go pee, and filed an initiative proposal that the parliament building should have a transgender toilet next to the male and female ones. The transgender MP denounced the proposal because it would lead to "gender apartheid".

Italian politics are hilarious

[Devastatin Dave]

If a man has sex with a transgender who thinks he's a woman, does that make the man gay? I'm not asking for me, it's for a friend.

That was our little secret!!!

Signed,
Your Friend

[Kralizec]

If a man has sex with a transgender who thinks he's a woman, does that make the man gay? I'm not asking for me, it's for a friend.

That makes you gay, irrespectively.

[CrossLOPER]

Vuk, quit multi-posting.

[Kanamori]

People who would have women locked up in houses for their safety... ... the poor confused friend of MRD who thinks he is gay for liking transgendered people... people calling me gay... I don't like the circus, mommy, I want to leave.

(I'm trying to figure out why this isn't closed yet... Ser is gone for a while?)

[Major Robert Dump]

This thread is not closed because it is about a timely event that shapes our future, and I, for one, take it very seriously.

The other day I was in the restroom and I heard a "man" in the stall grunting like he was going number two, but it was a hihg pitched, pansy grunt, not a manly grunt. Then when it hit the water, it was a tiny plopping sound, not a big, hefty splash, and I was like "no way, that's a transgender in there pretending to be a man!" so I kicked open the door to place him under citizen arrest, but it turns out it wasnt a transgender at all, it was a real life woman who had only snuck into the bathroom because she thought i was handsome and wanted to meet me, and she said she suddenly had to go poo so she did. I was like "hey, nice to meet you too, you're kind of cute there takin a dump little lady, why don't you finish and we can head out and get a malt" and so we did and now I think I'm in love with her big blue eyes, jiggly bosom and little girlie bowel movements. Life is crazy sometimes.

[IRONxMortlock]

but when do the girls get to come into the gents?

We have the technology! I present to you: The She Urinal


Seriously though, isn't it curious that those who seem to have to major issues accepting homosexuals and transgendered people don't mind the idea of invading other countries, killing thousands of innocent people and locking others away indefinitely without trial. Hell, a bit torture doesn't matter either if it's for a good cause with these guys. But GAYS! Holy shit! A transexual person wants to use a bathroom appropriate to their gender! That is what gets them frothing at the mouth.
Perhaps that's a little unfair but there really does seem to be a link there.

Anyway, I really don't see the problem here. Gender is not defined by having a penis or vagina, it is culturally determined. This isn't an issue at all and it can be worked out by the women present (including the transgendered woman) at the time.

Sexual orientation and gender expression are some of the most instinctual elements of humanity
Instances like these definitely raise tough questions that an open, tolerant society must ponder, but tormenting these poor people is the lowest form of cowardly "if they aint like us i dont like 'em" neanderthal-like idiocy.
I dont know which restroom transvestites should use, but I do know they are people just like everyone else. Their lives are already hard enough without the cruel mocking of the close minded.

Very well said PoP!

[Cowhead418]

Wow, this thread is absolutely crazy. I'd like to say a few things:

1. Vuk, I think you are going a little overboard on the gay/transexual thing. You are making the assumption that all of them are potential rapists, and that they go around violently hurting people and raping women. Like others have pointed out, there are many things so wrong with your post(s).

2. What kind of sick freak would get turned on by the women's bathroom? To me, if I saw a hot woman take a dump she would become about as attractive as the waste she just deposited... Some people are just really weird.

3. Men's bathrooms are for men, women's bathrooms are for women. I really do get tired of the double standard that BKS pointed out. I've seen several women in the men's locker room or bathroom and I immediately feel uncomfortable. It's just as wrong.

4. If we made a law everytime women felt 'uncomfortable' then we would be prohibited from doing almost anything. Why are we always portraying women as eternal victims? Don't they find that patronizing? I know some women who are outright tired of being seen as poor, little victims that need to be helped through everything. Are you a sexist Vuk? Two can play at this silly game.

[Redleg]

I have been very amused by this thread.