Ignosticism (Prove to me there is a God)

**Ianofsmeg16** · 11-08-2006, 23:56

Of course there's a god...It's me..I realized it a while back when I was praying and suddenly realized I was talking to myself.

Thank you I'll sign autographs after the show...

**Mithrandir** · 11-09-2006, 00:04

Originally Posted by Ianofsmeg16

Of course there's a god...It's me..I realized it a while back when I was praying and suddenly realized I was talking to myself.

**Vuk** · 11-09-2006, 00:05

There is no way to prove that there is a God! However, give me any other theory of the origin of life/earth and I'll disprove it! It is the logical conclusion that there is a God, however it cannot be proven by natural means (since God is supernatural) and gets down to a conviction of faith.

**AntiochusIII** · 11-09-2006, 00:16

Originally Posted by Vuk

There is no way to prove that there is a God! However, give me any other theory of the origin of life/earth and I'll disprove it! It is the logical conclusion that there is a God, however it cannot be proven by natural means (since God is supernatural) and gets down to a conviction of faith.

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By definition, logic and faith are two mutually exclusive things. Therefore, it cannot be a "logical conclusion that there is a God" and "gets down to a conviction of faith" at the same time, sorry.

If you ask me, I believe that there aren't any bloody gods to claim superiority over me. There are, however, hobbits, elves, morlocks, Argonians, and Smarties -- all of which are proven to exist and are related to the humanfolk one way or another.

**Vuk** · 11-09-2006, 00:27

Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

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By definition, logic and faith are two mutually exclusive things. Therefore, it cannot be a "logical conclusion that there is a God" and "gets down to a conviction of faith" at the same time, sorry.

If you ask me, I believe that there aren't any bloody gods to claim superiority over me. There are, however, hobbits, elves, morlocks, Argonians, and Smarties -- all of which are proven to exist and are related to the humanfolk one way or another.

The logic that I'm refering to is that if there is no other way for the earth to have come into existance, than it must have been through a god, since the earth is in existence! (I just stated that I could prove any other theory wrong).

**Cowhead418** · 11-09-2006, 00:39

Originally Posted by Vuk

The logic that I'm refering to is that if there is no other way for the earth to have come into existance, than it must have been through a god, since the earth is in existence! (I just stated that I could prove any other theory wrong).

This argument is absurd. How did God come into existance? Fight fire with fire, I say. The exact arguments you are using for the existance of God I can use against the existance of God.

**Vuk** · 11-09-2006, 00:54

Originally Posted by Cowhead418

This argument is absurd. How did God come into existance? Fight fire with fire, I say. The exact arguments you are using for the existance of God I can use against the existance of God.

What! My arguement was not that God came into existense!!

As for Him coming into existence, He didn't! He has always existes and there for could never 'come' into existence!
If you don't want to believe it, don't! It is my personal conviction. Having spent many years studying the origin of life, and argueing AGAINST Christianity, I came to that conviction because al else seemed wrong! Not only that but the Bible seemed way to accurate for a book of Its years to NOT be divinely inspired!

**Cowhead418** · 11-09-2006, 03:21

Originally Posted by Vuk

What! My arguement was not that God came into existense!!

As for Him coming into existence, He didn't! He has always existes and there for could never 'come' into existence!
If you don't want to believe it, don't! It is my personal conviction. Having spent many years studying the origin of life, and argueing AGAINST Christianity, I came to that conviction because al else seemed wrong! Not only that but the Bible seemed way to accurate for a book of Its years to NOT be divinely inspired!

But that doesn't make any bit of sense. How can something exist but not have a creation? How can something just have always existed? Why did "all else" seem wrong? Was it your personal conviction? Because if you are arguing with logic and rationality, then you can't possibly believe that God has always existed. I just don't understand how this could happen.

**Red Peasant** · 11-09-2006, 00:39

Originally Posted by Vuk

There is no way to prove that there is a God! However, give me any other theory of the origin of life/earth and I'll disprove it! It is the logical conclusion that there is a God, however it cannot be proven by natural means (since God is supernatural) and gets down to a conviction of faith.

Well, when a theist resorts to the old 'Faith' tactic, then this is an admission that you can't prove the existence of God ... although they will usually still try if pressed. Just merely believing, or having faith is irrational.

**Vuk** · 11-09-2006, 00:48

Originally Posted by Red Peasant

Well, when a theist resorts to the old 'Faith' tactic, then this is an admission that you can't prove the existence of God ... although they will usually still try if pressed. Just merely believing, or having faith is irrational.

I said right off the bat that belief in God is a matter of faith!

'Just merely believing, or having faith is irrational.'

Really? Are you just saying that or do you have faith in it (the belief that having faith is irrational)?
I would really like to here your theories! No, I wouldn't - I would REALLY REALLY like to!

**AntiochusIII** · 11-09-2006, 00:54

Originally Posted by Vuk

'Just merely believing, or having faith is irrational.'

Really? Are you just saying that or do you have faith in it (the belief that having faith is irrational)?
I would really like to here your theories! No, I wouldn't - I would REALLY REALLY like to!

"Irrational" does not necessarily come with the negative connotation it has in everyday speech. In this particular case, it merely is an adjective to describe a position not supported by the use of logic, often referred to as "faith."