Teutons and Templars

[big_steveo]

Just a historical question for you buffs out there:

Is there any evidence that Templars and Teutons ever had conflict with eachother? For that matter, did either have conflict with any other guilds?

I look forward to using these units in M2TW!

[Watchman]

..."guilds"...? Guilds are, you know, craft guilds. As in craftsmen. As in armourers, tanners, and whatever gazillion other professions medieval urban centers had that were influential and assertive enough to form a separate corporative organization (and not be part of a bigger guild).

The word is "Orders". As in knightly.

Anyway, I don't think the Templars and Teutonics had too much friction overall. Their spheres of interest were just too diverse for there to have been the sort of constant tension and squabbling that went on between the Templars and the Hospitallers (aka Johannites) who both had major territories in Outremer and constant disputes of precedence, prestige and practical political and military issues.

Both also tended to not quite see eye to eye with various crown-heads - and sometimes ecclesiarchical authorities - over various matters.

The Teutonic Order mostly concerned itself with the remaining pagans of northern Central Europe - the Baltic coastline and Lithuania - whereas the Templars and Hospitallers primarily busied themselves with fighting Muslims in the Mediterranean theatre, so they didn't butt heads all that often.

[big_steveo]

Thanks for the informative reply! They will now be forver "Orders" in my mind!

However, did any Teutons fight in the Crusades in Muslim territory?

[sharrukin]

Thanks for the informative reply! They will now be forver "Orders" in my mind!

However, did any Teutons fight in the Crusades in Muslim territory?

In the 1190's the Teutonic order had a presence in the holy land, though they were smaller at the time.

http://www.imperialteutonicorder.org/

[anders]

as I understand it, the teuton orders original area of interest was the same as most other orders, the holy land, were they had a presence. they were then invited back north by the poles.

[Faenaris]

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The Teutonic Order mostly concerned itself with the remaining pagans of northern Central Europe - the Baltic coastline and Lithuania - whereas the Templars and Hospitallers primarily busied themselves with fighting Muslims in the Mediterranean theatre, so they didn't butt heads all that often.

I thought that although the Order wasn't very "succesful" in the East, most of the Orders funds and men were still assigned to the Eastern theater. True, they did do "crusades" in easter Europe, but it was a relatively minor thing until ... errr, lost the date, I'm gonna look it up. It was the date when the Grand Master changed his "headquarters" and based it closer to the Baltic region.

Also, the Teutonics probably had some arguments with the other Orders when on crusade with Frederik Barbarossa, the "stupor mundi". :) Afterall, the order was excommunicated for helping the excommunicated emperor. It's a good thing Von Salza was a great diplomat or the Teurons may have been eliminated by fellow Christians.