"Youths" torch a woman in France, Chirac "horrifed"..

[Devastatin Dave]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061029...ranceriotsyear
Interesting article, interesting in the fact not once did the article did not once mention the true link between this attack and the thousands of attacks that have occured in France by, as the article points out "people of African and Arab decent". Actually there is a better discription for these people that it appears the auther if afraid to point out.

So do you think France will fix this problem or will Paris become the capital of Eurabia in the near future?

[Scurvy]

Actually there is a better discription for these people that it appears the auther if afraid to point out.

And that is....?

The riots are horrible, i agree with chirac on that, but the reason its mainly people of African + Asian decent is because they are generally the poorest rung of society, and therefore the most liable to riot and revert to crime etc. (this is true of any country, its normally those with the lowest living standards who cause the most crime etc.)

[Devastatin Dave]

And that is....?

The riots are horrible, i agree with chirac on that, but the reason its mainly people of African + Asian decent is because they are generally the poorest rung of society, and therefore the most liable to riot and revert to crime etc. (this is true of any country, its normally those with the lowest living standards who cause the most crime etc.)

Which is strange to me considering France is the beacon of the nanny-state socialist utopia that many leftist dream of and many misguided American citizens want as well.

[Scurvy]

France has its employment laws completely wrong - the unions are far too powerful, companies struggle to make profits, and new jobs don't become availabe, this then causes bad feeling among the wider society, causing riots.
if it sorts that out then it has a lot going for it

[Blodrast]

@Scurvy: so that makes it right ? And are they oppressed because of the bus drivers ? Or was it the 26 year old woman oppressing them ?

@Dave: well, lemme put it this way: they'll continue to be horrified, they'll strongly condemn this kind of actions, and they'll do their best to resolve the situation. Does that answer your question?

[Devastatin Dave]

@Dave: well, lemme put it this way: they'll continue to be horrified, they'll strongly condemn this kind of actions, and they'll do their best to resolve the situation. Does that answer your question?

Yes it answer my question...
Paris will be the capital of Eurabia. Allah Akbar, as the "youths" would say.

[Scurvy]

@Scurvy: so that makes it right ? And are they oppressed because of the bus drivers ? Or was it the 26 year old woman oppressing them ?

It doesnt make it right, but it explains the cause of their actions

[Devastatin Dave]

It doesnt make it right, but it explains the cause of their actions

edited, sorry Scurvy

[Slyspy]

That is not what Scurvy said.

[Devastatin Dave]

That is not what Scurvy said.

You're right, sorry Scurvy

[Scurvy]

no worries

[BDC]

Actually there is a better discription for these people that it appears the auther if afraid to point out.

Yes, the French system screws over a lot of people. Not intentionally, but it happens.

The last place your 'Eurabia' will turn up is France. For a country where it's impossible to be racist (because they don't exist!) life can be really hard if you're not actually French (or seen as French). I know a lot of people there and whilst definately not racist, their views are a little 'outdated' maybe.

[rory_20_uk]

Is the colour of the persons who perpetrated the attacks, or their religion causative or are the two variables not directly linked?

[Devastatin Dave]

Is the colour of the persons who perpetrated the attacks, or their religion causative or are the two variables not directly linked?

Color never determines violence, beliefs do...

[Lemur]

Which is strange to me considering France is the beacon of the nanny-state socialist utopia that many leftist dream of and many misguided American citizens want as well.

I know, whose idea was it to model a "guest worker" program on the French? Oh, wait, don't tell me ...

And yes, it is a little absurd that the news release can't bring themselves to say the "M" word ...

[scotchedpommes]

The violence recalled the riots that raged in mostly poor suburbs around the country last year -- the worst incident of civil strife in France in four decades.

Gangs of youths -- most of them from families of African and Arab origin -- torched more than 10,000 cars and firebombed 300 buildings in around 275 towns.

Social alienation, high unemployment, racial discrimination and tensions over integrating France's sizeable Muslim community were all cited as reasons for the riots.

Does that not satisfy your need to see the M connection? Would have
thought it clear in any case that the unemployment and apparent alienation
were more an issue than simply that which might not be mentioned.

[Mooks]

Why cant the French authorties take care of the rioters? Get the military in there, this is a embarrasment to their country.

[Devastatin Dave]

Why cant the French authorties take care of the rioters? Get the military in there, this is a embarrasment to their country.

Wouldn't it be more embarrasing to watch all those French troops surrendering to guys torching cars.

[Papewaio]

Not as embarrasing as watching a small portion of "Christians" make fun of fallen military at their funerals. Or those who take child brides cousins or not, or those who espouse violence based on the colour of another mans skin.

I'm afraid every religion has people who use it in a manner the mainstream would object to. Yet to outsiders it seems that these cretins are allowed to exist as the mainstream hasn't wiped them out.

So no throwing stones until you get rid of the child brides grooms, KKK, Neo-Nazis, Phelps Family...

[Xiahou]

I know, whose idea was it to model a "guest worker" program on the French? Oh, wait, don't tell me ...

Probably the same guy who got taken to the woodshed for the idea by his support base.

And yes, it is a little absurd that the news release can't bring themselves to say the "M" word ...

If you read the mainstream American media, you'd believe the riots and arsons ended last year. It's like a virtual blackout on the rioting over here.

[Tribesman]

If you read the mainstream American media, you'd believe the riots and arsons ended last year. It's like a virtual blackout on the rioting over here.

How much coverage has the protests and riots in Mexico recieved (not the ones over the election) over there ?

Why cant the French authorties take care of the rioters? Get the military in there, this is a embarrasment to their country.

I think you will find that countries don't like sending in the military as it can turn out rather embarrasing , though of course some countries love sending their military out on the streets .
Whats that big square in China called ?

[ezrider]

Wouldn't it be more embarrasing to watch all those French troops surrendering to guys torching cars.

[Fragony]

Why cant the French authorties take care of the rioters? Get the military in there, this is a embarrasment to their country.

Haha, they can't. They thought it would be a good idea too contract a lot of muslims in the army, they are worried they will switch sides. Nope, frenchies are on their own on this one.

Anyway frenchies, why don't ya go a little crazy? Sweep the streets, I'll help.

[BigTex]

Wow quite a disgusting crime. I hadn't realized that its really gone on for so long this bad.

As for basing this off religion, thats hardly the factor here. More or less the combination of economics and racism.

So no throwing stones until you get rid of the child brides grooms, KKK, Neo-Nazis, Phelps Family...

While I agree with most of your post, Neo-Nazis are not christian bubba, their Nazi's.

Haha, they can't. They thought it would be a good idea too contract a lot of muslims in the army, they are worried they will switch sides. Nope, frenchies are on their own on this one.

Anyway frenchies, why don't ya go a little crazy? Sweep the streets, I'll help.

Thats pretty sad if you can't even trust your military to follow a simple order of defend and restore order to your country. Ironic and funny as heck though. I'm curious does the French military still have execution as a punishment for desertion and treason?

Sweeping the streets would be great, except for these strange laws preventing ownership of guns. Though there is another option, migrate to Texas, leave Eurabia to the muslims.

[caravel]

And that is....?

The riots are horrible, i agree with chirac on that, but the reason its mainly people of African + Asian decent is because they are generally the poorest rung of society, and therefore the most liable to riot and revert to crime etc. (this is true of any country, its normally those with the lowest living standards who cause the most crime etc.)

I'm not sure about that. There have been similar sentiments among some immigrants in the UK, yet despite their complaints they seem to be doing rather well for themselves. They often cry inequality and poverty on one hand but refuse to integrate and learn english on the other. White people are pretty much at the bottom of the ladder in many UK cities now. Whenever I go into a shop, I'm served by an asian, when I go to hospital it's often an asian doctor. They rent property and own companies, and if they don't do any of that, the welfare state pays for them. They're not living in poverty here. The teenage pregnancy and long term unemployment crowd all seem to be white. The whites here have a lot to be pissed off about, yet they're not out rioting and burning buses. If they were I've no doubt that they would be instantly crushed by a large scale police mobilization in full riot gear. If they were muslims then we'd all need to "understand" that the "main reason" for their destructive behaviour is in fact "poverty", "racism" and "misunderstanding", and that we as the tax payer should simply shut up and pay for the mess to be cleaned up.

While we have a two faced governement that concentrates on blowing muslims up abroad, while effectively "blowing" muslims at home, then this does not look like changing any time soon.

Welcome to the nanny state that is the EU.

[Fragony]

Sweeping the streets would be great, except for these strange laws preventing ownership of guns. Though there is another option, migrate to Texas, leave Eurabia to the muslims.

Ah well more votes for Le Pen, he has been warning for this for years. Those in power didn't listen. Let these facists have their riots, it's always fun untill someone gets hurt. Lefties need a miracle, my muca patience.

[Redleg]

How much coverage has the protests and riots in Mexico recieved (not the ones over the election) over there ?

Like the one I heard during the night about President Fox sending the Federal Police into a city that has been rioting for several months

I see the reports from Mexico concerning violence about every other day - but then I live in a border state

[Tribesman]

While I agree with most of your post, Neo-Nazis are not christian bubba, their Nazi's.

Now that deserves a special appeal to the moderators .
Considering the admin problems (thanks guys it was appreciated) that were caused due to my last mention of a neo-nazi group that was in the news , is there any chance of a special dispensation to link directly to a wide selection of neo-nazi websites that claim to be Christian .

I only ask since it seems that Tex has a gap in his knowledge .
Or would it be better if I PM'd him a link to four neo-nazi "christian" websites from his own glorious state of Texas(though Iam sure I could find more than the 4 that I amalready aware of)?

[Tribesman]

Like the one I heard during the night .........

Yep thats the one , has the coverage been going on for several months , has it covered the allegations of the murder of protesters , the claims by the original protest , the further claims by the add on protests , the settlement to the earlier protest or the approaches to the later protests ?

Or is it just ...."big news something happened yesterday"

Is it a big news blackout from the main stream media , or is that protests in another country and attempts to remedy the problem are not a big newsworthy story when there is so much other crap to write about , until of course something happens to bring it back into the mediaspotlight .

I see the reports from Mexico concerning violence about every other day - but then I live in a border state

So it is a local issue then , its not like a It's like a virtual blackout on the rioting over here.

[Randarkmaan]

Which is strange to me considering France is the beacon of the nanny-state socialist utopia that many leftist dream of and many misguided American citizens want as well.

When did France become that? Don't they just have a lot of laws saying that you can't display your religion in public and some laws which make it very hard for immigrants (and their offspring) to get recognized as citizens and therefore get work. I thought Norway and Sweden were the prime example of what you call 'nanny-state socialist' (actually social democratic, 'socialist' is like the Soviet Union) and last I checked we and Sweden were managing really well.

The riots are horrible, i agree with chirac on that, but the reason its mainly people of African + Asian decent is because they are generally the poorest rung of society, and therefore the most liable to riot and revert to crime etc. (this is true of any country, its normally those with the lowest living standards who cause the most crime etc.)

I agree with this, people who have little are the most likely to be dissatisfied with their society and try to find excuses, and/or reasons, for their misery (or 'misery').

Also (not anything to do with this) I just have to say this once and for all: Liberalism is NOT left-wing, it's right-wing (though possibly centre-right)!