New Demo VS Old Demo

[PROMETHEUS]

I prefer the Old one .....


for those reasons ....

Post your tastes differences .....

For what concenres graphics I preferred much more the first Demo ....Becouse :



I could see bloom , now no more
I could see Blood , now no more as much at least
I could see higher resolution texture of mails etc now not
Shadows where much better befoure now they are the same
as an slightly impoved version of rtw
...
Grass looked better extending from ditance befoure ...

Altough the fps has increased the graphic experience has decreased , And I preferred much more the previous version .... altough

what instead I like of the new demo are the units in general look a bit better altough not graphically as befoure with all the effects and bloom ...
Reflections can't actually even be seen since they do not reflect anything at least this is what seems ..

if you agree with me then ...

Please go here to discuss as well to make CA know it ....

http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotal...cID=5222.topic

[Ituralde]

What really annoys me about the new demo is actually none of the above issues, because my computer can't handle those options anyways, but they're also of a graphical nature.

Who in the world had the idea to put those fancy white hearts beside the Fatigue and that jolly little smiley beside the Morale? Makes me wonder why they haven't turned it pink or something. Also the icons on the unit cards are really ugly now, that stark white without any conture, or hue or anything. It hurts my eyes to look at it really. you have the dark moody atmosphere and something like that poking at your eyes. I bet some guys were play-testing and complaining about the fact that they didn't see what was going on and had to take a closer look. Now the facts are jumping at my face causing me physical pain.
I really don't like those changes. What they have done in colour and mood with the mini-map they have reversed with those battle icons.

Cheers!

Ituralde

[Dan.o6]

I think it's an improvement, it runs a lot smoother on my PC compared to the old one. As for the faces and icons, I don't think they are neccessary but it definately isn't the end of the world.

[LadyAnn]

There are not enough girls playing this game, so they wanted to make it more appealing :D

Just kidding.

Anniep

[Jambo]

I cannot for the life of me fathom out why the smilies bother people so much?! They serve the purpose of relaying important information to you, the controller, quickly. In that respect, they do their job perfectly. Get over it and focus on the more important aspects of the game, i.e. is the AI any better...?

I'd arge the AI is massively improved in the second demo; Agincourt is no longer a walk in the park and I've lost my first two attempts at Otumba. :)

[Ituralde]

I'm not gonna deny the AI or the awesome gameplay provided by the demo and I enjoy playing it very much. That makes those little design decisions all that harder to understand. It was perfect for me in the first demo, but then they decided to change it for whatever reason and that's what's bothering me.

Of course I can play the game with those smileys and with those hearts but I'd rather not have them in. The first demo showed that it can be done without them.

Well, seems like I'll have to live with it, haven't found any promising entry in the preferences file yet. But I can and will voice my concern about them.

Cheers!

Ituralde

[screwtype]

I could see bloom , now no more
I could see Blood , now no more as much at least
I could see higher resolution texture of mails etc now not
Shadows where much better befoure now they are the same
as an slightly impoved version of rtw
...
Grass looked better extending from ditance befoure ...

Altough the fps has increased the graphic experience has decreased , And I preferred much more the previous version .... altough

Could possibly be a result of making the game playable on non-SSE2 machines. You get worse graphics so all those AMD FX owners can play the game

[TB666]

Also the blood system has improved.
Instead of the instant red you saw in the old one, it now increases on the soldier as the battle rages on, just like the mud.
Also the new demo is alot better.

[Dan.o6]

I can actually place the game this time, last time it was very slow, but I'm getting a new GFX card before release anyway so :D

[maestro]

You get worse graphics so all those AMD FX owners can play the game

I've got an FX and never had truoble with the old demo - or am I misunderstanding you?

bloom adds luster and radiance to the graphics metal becomes very bright and literately glows and everything has an over exposed dream like quality. i prefer bloom off since it looks much more realistic. but bloom is a very pretty and interesting effect.

I totally agree with ya about keeping bloom off. For me it's just a really lame and simple interpretation of HDR

[Orda Khan]

No, they fixed an SSE2 issue so that a large section of the market can run the game and you think that's wrong?

.......Orda

[Gustav II Adolf]

I think the new demo has more pros than cons compared with the old demo. However, i noticed something strange. I had a unit of sword and buckler men fighting peasants downhill on my right. I thought they would easily grind the peasants down so i let them be and concentrated on the others. I checked from time to time but none were dying out. Late in the battle i had lost about three men and the peasants had lost maybe ten out of 150. The aztecs were getting reinforcements by this time in my rear so i charged the peasants with some horse which broke them. I could see no reason wy they had such low killratio. Is this a bug or a new feature?


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[x-dANGEr]

No, they fixed an SSE2 issue so that a large section of the market can run the game and you think that's wrong?

.......Orda

I think doing it the "easy" or "wrong" way is wrong.

[Furious Mental]

I find that the Aztec reinforcements from behind seem to go straight for Cortez, so you can stop them hitting the rear of your army just by moving him around a bit.

[Orda Khan]

I think doing it the "easy" or "wrong" way is wrong.

I fail to understand how including a large sector of the market can be construed as 'wrong'. On the contrary, losing the possible sales from this sector would be bad marketing strategy

.......Orda

[x-dANGEr]

What gave you the impression that I said that "including a large sector of the market" is wrong? I simply said, it is wrong to do it by wrecking down Graphics for everyone. They should have kept the graphics, but included options that allow SSE1 CPUs to run the game but on the expense of graphics level.

[Orda Khan]

wrecking down Graphics

Graphics are wrecked? Bit of an exaggeration there

.....Orda

[wraithdt]

I find the differences quite minimal too and the graphics still look stunning.

[doc_bean]

Bah, the demo CRAWLS on the system I tried it on (2.4ghz pentium, 512ùb Ram, Radeon 9600) with everthing on low. I didn't even play it...

[Lusted]

From those pics i can say that if there are any differences, they are minimal from the looks of it.

[screwtype]

GAH, I can't believe this, I just finished DL'ing the demo (took me six hours) and tried playing the Agincourt battle - it is literally a slideshow! Completely unplayable.

I have an Athlon 64, 1 Gig RAM, ATI 9800 Pro.

Obviously the first thing to try is to tweak the graphic settings, but this is very discouraging! It's far worse even than RTW when I first got it, and that was when I only had a 1 Gig Celeron with 256 Mb of RAM!

Update: Tried turning shadows off and it was much better. I lost the battle - got Henry killed. Can someone remind me how to zoom in on the action? I don't want to sit through the whole tutorial to find out!

First impressions are okay though. The melee combat certainly seems to last plenty long enough. That was the thing I was most worried about. And the units don't seem to be moving too fast - another very important issue. In fact it does look very much as though "classic" TW battle pace has been restored to the game. Looks like about the only thing left to worry about then is the quality of the AI, and there's no telling about that from the demo, since it's scripted.

Some of the animations are ridiculous though. I saw one heavily armoured French knight actually do a backward somersault when struck a blow by an opponent. Yeesh! How stoopid is that. Not very keen on the unit colour schemes either. Too garish. The English look particularly wrong, in their yucky orange-and-yellow. Is this an example of the Aussies taking revenge against their former colonial masters? But the colours are certainly better than they were in Rome, which isn't saying much.

All in all though, my first impressions are more positive than I anticipated. I find myself reconsidering a full price purchase of this game. But all the same, I think I'll still wait until the community has had more time to assess the gameplay.

[Orda Khan]

Can someone remind me how to zoom in on the action? I don't want to sit through the whole tutorial to find out!

Try the wheel on your mouse

........Orda

[econ21]

GAH, I can't believe this, I just finished DL'ing the demo (took me six hours) and tried playing the Agincourt battle - it is literally a slideshow! Completely unplayable.

I have an Athlon 64, 1 Gig RAM, ATI 9800 Pro.

I have the same card and RAM & found the first demo hard going - have you gone to the graphics setting and made sure you have "shader 1" selected? x-danger gave me that hint () and it dramatically improved things for me.

[Tellos Athenaios]

To me the new demo is a real improvement. Simply because the old one refused to load, and the new one does not.

[TheImp]

Maybe the peasants were set on "Guard" mode. I have noticed, especially in Azincourt, that it was improving drasticly the defense of a unit and made it last longer. But it might only a bug.

As for me, i think the new demo is better because it runs smoother while keeping almost the same quality of graphics. I can see the bloom effect, and lights are the same as in the old one. I only put shadows at the lowest setting in order to keep a good pace on the field so i haven't checked about them.

The overall impression is that i can have real good battles to watch without having to turn off nice graphic features. I'm quite happy about it.