And here's why women are being raped in Australia

[Devastatin Dave]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...7-2702,00.html

Anyone agree want to disagree with our distinguished "member" of Western society? I wonder how many riots this is going to create throughout the Western World. I'll take a wild guess... 0

[Samurai Waki]

Thats because people in Western Society don't really listen to crack pots, unlike certain people, who are part of a certain faith, in generally a certain part of the world who take everything for gospel. No Us Westies are a Suspicious lot after getting screwed by our leaders time and again.

[Major Robert Dump]

Its interesting that he refers to their uncovered flesh as "meat." I've personally never thought of gangraping suggestively dressed young women, but I have to admit I do get an erection when I see the the RibEyes and T-Bones in the meat counter at the local Super Target. who knows what I'd do if there weren't children and cameras around. Men are such....animals

[Crazed Rabbit]

Dave, didn't you read it? Women are the tools of Satan.

Men are the righteous follows of the Prophet. They are who they are and can't change it; is it too much to ask to have the women learn proper control?

Gee, you guys need to get more multi-cultural.

CR

[Duke of Gloucester]

The man is a fool. It is encouraging to note the response of other Moslems though. Even he is trying to backtrack on his original pronouncements.

[Watchman]

Ah, the classic male chauvinist argument. Westerners actually use it too, just without the religious references.

Bollocks anyway of course, as all the "blame the victim" excuses.

'Sides, I seem to recall the sharia "remove the extremity used in the crime" approach was quite explicit in the case of rape. I wonder what the esteemed Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali would have to say about that and "mercy"...

[Fragony]

The imfamous Sidney gangrape, comming to a town near you

everyday's reality, more episodes then 'as the world turns'.

Ah well if they can't control themselves if they see a hot chick, let's tackle this problem at it's root and ban hot chicks. These things need time, we must carefully culturally sensitive explain that this can and must not happen and that it happens anyway is really not their fault. They already have it so tough.

[Andres]

ban hot chicks.

I hereby officially offer shelter for all those hot, slim and D-cupped infidel chicks.

[Dâriûsh]

Add another stupid statement to al-Hilali’s long list of stupid statements. Why is he still allowed to spew his hate?



And here's why women are being raped in Australia

You are right, troll. All rapists in Australia are Muslims…

[Csargo]

I hereby officially offer shelter for all those hot, slim and D-cupped infidel chicks.

Me too

[Fragony]

Add another stupid statement to al-Hilali’s long list of stupid statements. Why is he still allowed to spew his hate?



And here's why women are being raped in Australia

You are right, troll. All rapists in Australia are Muslims…

Well if a high religious figure excuses them in such a way, doesn't help. This man his more influence then the australian authority.

[DemonArchangel]

Add another stupid statement to al-Hilali’s long list of stupid statements. Why is he still allowed to spew his hate?

Because apparently, he has a following of likeminded idiots.

[lancelot]

I wonder what this genius has to say about women who are not dressing suggestively etc etc who get raped...how is it their fault I wonder...showing too much cheek-bone?

Many places ban holocaust denail/hate preaching...cant someone make a law and shut idiots like this up?...please.

[DemonArchangel]

Many places ban holocaust denail/hate preaching...cant someone make a law and shut idiots like this up?...please.

No. In fact, they shouldn't. Even the places that ban Holocaust denial should unban it. We need to know these kinds of.....what I will call people for convienience's sake, exist in this world.

[Dâriûsh]

Well if a high religious figure excuses them in such a way, doesn't help.

Quite right, which is all the more reason for him to be sacked. It helped when Abu “Hook” Hamza was sacked from London’s Finsbury Park Mosque. This case is similar. That baboon is abusing his authority.

I think that to most people, the prayer is more important than the sermon. People are there to pray because it is a mosque, not because of Hilaly. But there is no doubt he has a following of fools who find his statements very convenient.

Sack him.

[Navaros]

The Muslim has a point. He's a bit too extreme about it, but nonetheless there is truth to his point.

What he says is true that women who do not dress respectably, are encouraging themselves to be sexually assaulted. I'm not saying that it should happen, but it definitely will happen a lot of the time due to the temptation the women cause in psychopaths' minds by dressing like prostitutes. Of course it should never happen and no one deserves that. Although, that they didn't deserve it won't make things much better after the fact. If they didn't dress like prostitutes in the first place, perhaps in many cases they might have been able to entirely avoid the horrible situation. Hence putting aside offense at the Muslim's comments, and women learning to dress more respectably because of them instead of getting caught up in being offended, then the world would be a much better place with less sexual assault.

[Duke of Gloucester]

No Nav, he does not have a point at all. Let us set aside the fact that most rapes are commited by people who know their victims and just talk about rapes by strangers - these "psychopaths" you refer to. If women follow your and his advice then they would need to cover up more and more. It would not be a case of thigh and cleavage inciting these people, it would become neck and ankle, so they need to be covered, then the face. Much better to make sure young men learn that however women dress they are not consenting to anything that they say "no" to. Rape is not caused by men's desires becoming inflamed - this happens to all men, but we are not all rapists. Rape happens when a man has no respect for a woman and treats her as less than human. Making a distinction between those who dress nicely and those who expose their flesh simply makes the lack of respect more likely. It encourages young men to think "These women are nice girls like my sisters and mother, these others are whores and get what is coming to them". You see - lack of respect.

He actually goes further and says that the woman who was gang raped is to blame rather than the men who did it, which is nauseating.

[Fragony]

Well if they don't respect sexy women it is of course more likely to happen when a woman dresses sexy, but we shouldn't think like that. They just need to understand that australie is not a muslim country and that they shouldn't aspire to change that. Problem is they know they can with so many usefull idiots at important places.

[doc_bean]

He actually goes further and says that the woman who was gang raped is to blame rather than the men who did it, which is nauseating.

Not to speak in his defense or to be muslim bashing, BUT, isn't this view pretty much law in several Islamic countries ? (Iran, Pakistan,...) I do think this line of thought is horribly wrong, but this isn't just the problem of one lunatic, there are a whole lot of people trapped in the same 'paradigm'. Not that it's (all) Islam that's to blame, this line of thought was (is?) pretty common in the western world too...

But, yeah, ban him.

[BDC]

Why is he still allowed to spew his hate?

Freedom of speech? Doesn't stop him being an idiot and mocked though.

I mean seriously. What a fool.

[caravel]

He's an idiot and should be simply sacked from his job and ignored. Deporting him draws attention and effectively makes a martyr of him.

The point about scantily clad women encouraging rape is true though. In the UK, women dress provocatively, i.e when going out clubbing. This is undeniable. The whole idea is to look good and draw attention to themselves, though that can be the wrong kind of attention especially if one of them is staggering home/into an illegal taxi drunk. In such case the drunkenness is probably the biggest factor, but the highly revealing clothing is another major factor. This is a big problem.

The problem with this cleric in question is that his views on the matter are rather extreme and blinkered.

"If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

With regard to muslim men, some of which are possibly accustomed to seeing women at all unless covered from head to foot, this may be quite 'shocking' to say the least. The idea that a woman in a muslim country will be raped unless covered, portrays muslims in a bad light. The cleric, as is usual with these types, ony does a disservice to his own religion/culture and nothing more.

[Devastatin Dave]

And here's why women are being raped in Australia

You are right, troll. All rapists in Australia are Muslims…

Hey, don't shoot, or shall i say, behead the messenger. Its his statement, so don't get pissed at me that this dude has a 6th century mindset of a cravan raiding lunatic. HE was the one that gave the reason as to why women are being raped by his flock. Thanks for giving us a great of example of how the "moderates" are doing such a good job standing up against the "extremists".

[Kralizec]

What he says is true that women who do not dress respectably, are encouraging themselves to be sexually assaulted. I'm not saying that it should happen, but it definitely will happen a lot of the time due to the temptation the women cause in psychopaths' minds by dressing like prostitutes. Of course it should never happen and no one deserves that. Although, that they didn't deserve it won't make things much better after the fact. If they didn't dress like prostitutes in the first place, perhaps in many cases they might have been able to entirely avoid the horrible situation. Hence putting aside offense at the Muslim's comments, and women learning to dress more respectably because of them instead of getting caught up in being offended, then the world would be a much better place with less sexual assault.

It's true that some women could have avoided being raped, had they worn clothes that don't reveal any skin.
It's also true that these women could certainly have avoided being raped by staying in their appartment the rest of their lives (he actually makes this point!)

Of course women put themselves at risk if they take a lonely walk, half naked through crime infested neighbourhouds. But if women can't walk without the Hijaab in daily hours without risking their safety, something is wrong.

Not to speak in his defense or to be muslim bashing, BUT, isn't this view pretty much law in several Islamic countries ? (Iran, Pakistan,...) I do think this line of thought is horribly wrong, but this isn't just the problem of one lunatic, there are a whole lot of people trapped in the same 'paradigm'. Not that it's (all) Islam that's to blame, this line of thought was (is?) pretty common in the western world too...

The Australian mufti was immediately rebuked by a ton of muslims. I don't think there are that many muslims who follow his line of reasoning, but having such a person in a position of leadership is asking for trouble. I say sack him.

[Lemur]

Thanks for giving us a great of example of how the "moderates" are doing such a good job standing up against the "extremists".

According to your own article, Muslims in Australia are coming out of the woodwork to denounce this dude's statement. And I fail to see how Dairush (correctly) identifying your initial post as a troll demonstrates that moderates can't or won't oppose the nutjob in the article.

Do moderate Muslims need to believe you aren't a troll to support freedom? Let's get our criteria straight, here ...

[lars573]

This idiot is obviously FOB from fundi-stan. If he only knew howmany times I see Muslim girls here, 2nd generation Canadians (if that). Dressing like any other girl. Tight fitting cloths and not even a head scarf.

[Fragony]

According to your own article, Muslims in Australia are coming out of the woodwork to denounce this dude's statement.

Some you mean, end that some being female muslim leaders, doubt they are a very big group. Maybe it's just the kremlinwatcher in me.

[Andres]

Some you mean, end that some being female muslim leaders, doubt they are a very big group. Maybe it's just the kremlinwatcher in me.

Hmmmm... naked female muslim leaders. Sounds kinky...

[Tribesman]

Ah well if they can't control themselves if they see a hot chick, let's tackle this problem at it's root and ban hot chicks. These things need time, we must carefully culturally sensitive explain that this can and must not happen and that it happens anyway is really not their fault. They already have it so tough.

Well if they don't respect sexy women it is of course more likely to happen when a woman dresses sexy, but we shouldn't think like that. They just need to understand that australie is not a muslim country and that they shouldn't aspire to change that. Problem is they know they can with so many usefull idiots at important places.

Is this he same really caring person who described a gang-rape and murder victim as a dumb MTV loving American bitch who wanted a bit of gang-bang action but got more than she was expecting ?
Or was that someone else using that name?



Right , first off lets be clear , this preacher is talking bollox , just like a Christian preacher who would describe line dancing as being sexually provocative is talking bollox .
But , since during rape trials in the "civilised" western world the prosecution often makes a big issue out of what the victim was wearing at the time , putting it for consideration to a western judge and jury that the victims attire may be a mitigating factor for the actions of the sick **** of a rapist then where is your outrage oh outraged ones ?

I wonder how many riots this is going to create throughout the Western World. I'll take a wild guess... 0

Now then Dave , how many riots did it cause in Japan when there was a nasty child rape committed , and then a figure of authority over the perpetrator of the crime moaned about the locals making a big deal over nothing ?
Any thoughts about the defendants mitigating factors put forward for the recent gang rape incident in the Phillipines ?

[Fragony]

Hmmmm... naked female muslim leaders. Sounds kinky...

New greet, salami hereitcomes

[Devastatin Dave]

Do moderate Muslims need to believe you aren't a troll to support freedom?

Nope, I don't require anyone to follow my beliefs, too bad I can't say the same about, well, others.