Which faction has the worst starting position?

**Faenaris** · 10-29-2006, 16:27

While portugal really is in a dire position, I still voted HRE. They have a larger empire, thus a larger border and a lot of other nations in the vicinity. Granted, there are some rebel provinces who figure as some kind of buffer, but still. :)

**ProudNerd** · 10-29-2006, 18:14

Originally Posted by Faenaris

While portugal really is in a dire position, I still voted HRE. They have a larger empire, thus a larger border and a lot of other nations in the vicinity. Granted, there are some rebel provinces who figure as some kind of buffer, but still. :)

im not sure of the exact positions. Is there a map where i can see where each faction starts?

**parcelt** · 10-29-2006, 18:21

ProudNerd, check out:

https://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?...tw2map2qh7.jpg

**ProudNerd** · 10-29-2006, 19:42

Originally Posted by parcelt

ProudNerd, check out:

https://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?...tw2map2qh7.jpg

wow thanks thats a really great map its very clear. Looks like the ports do in fact have an awful start the hre has Constantinople so it should have a huge eco. There sure are loads of rebel provinces.

**macke** · 10-29-2006, 22:14

I guess I would have to agree on portugal. Simply because they have no room for expansion whithout risking war whith neighbours. If hispania would have consist of more provinces then it would have been better.

.. and thats another fact that I can se.. to few provinces.. I se alot of places where I would like more of them. Hopefully the modders of M2TR will add a few more like they did in RTR. But I am sure it will be fun anyway

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I am not sure who comes as 2nd though, France seems to begin whith more provinces than any other faction. However being that large at the start makes them an easy target by many smaller factions situated around them. And to have many hostiles around them could be pretty challenging.

**BaldwinIV** · 10-29-2006, 22:42

Originally Posted by macke

.. and thats another fact that I can se.. to few provinces.. I se alot of places where I would like more of them. Hopefully the modders of M2TR will add a few more like they did in RTR. But I am sure it will be fun anyway

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I counted 102 provinces at all. But this isn't very significant...

**Randarkmaan** · 10-29-2006, 22:58

And in the end game, it would be fun to see Egypt take on the Aztecs...

The Egyptians have powerful cavalry, armour, steel weapons, firearms (they had firearms in MTW, Mamluk handgunners + the other ones), cannon (as most every other faction). It would not be much different from the Spanish fighting the Aztecs... Though it would look very different! And it is a scenario I would want to realize...

I think... Scotland has a difficult starting postion. The Turks can also get bad, most of the time all the Crusades directed at the Egyptians will have to go through you, and they are sort of in the way of the Mongols and probably the Timurids also.

**CaesarAugustus** · 10-30-2006, 02:08

Originally Posted by parcelt

https://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?...tw2map2qh7.jpg

Whoa, that is a lot of rebel provinces. Great map though.......

I'd say the top three are Portugal (surrounded), France, and Venice (all hemmed in by superpowers)>

**Darth Nihilus** · 10-29-2006, 18:28

While Portugal's starting position is not easy, I think the most difficult starting spot is the HRE by far. Portugal does have a somewhat difficult starting spot, but I wouldn't even put it in the top 5 hardest. The HRE has many potential enemies that it has to deal with at once. Dealing with 1 or 2 enemies is not nearly as difficult as fighting 6 at one time.

Plus, if you are winning with Portugal, you have natural borders that you can expand to in the Iberian peninsula. If you are winning with the HRE, you have no natural borders. Not to mention, the Iberian peninsula is a lot more wealthy that the land in central Europe. I am baffled that Portugal has even been veoted for.