"Youths" torch a woman in France, Chirac "horrifed"..

[Devastatin Dave]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061029...ranceriotsyear
Interesting article, interesting in the fact not once did the article did not once mention the true link between this attack and the thousands of attacks that have occured in France by, as the article points out "people of African and Arab decent". Actually there is a better discription for these people that it appears the auther if afraid to point out.

So do you think France will fix this problem or will Paris become the capital of Eurabia in the near future?

[Scurvy]

Actually there is a better discription for these people that it appears the auther if afraid to point out.

And that is....?

The riots are horrible, i agree with chirac on that, but the reason its mainly people of African + Asian decent is because they are generally the poorest rung of society, and therefore the most liable to riot and revert to crime etc. (this is true of any country, its normally those with the lowest living standards who cause the most crime etc.)

[Devastatin Dave]

And that is....?

The riots are horrible, i agree with chirac on that, but the reason its mainly people of African + Asian decent is because they are generally the poorest rung of society, and therefore the most liable to riot and revert to crime etc. (this is true of any country, its normally those with the lowest living standards who cause the most crime etc.)

Which is strange to me considering France is the beacon of the nanny-state socialist utopia that many leftist dream of and many misguided American citizens want as well.

[Scurvy]

France has its employment laws completely wrong - the unions are far too powerful, companies struggle to make profits, and new jobs don't become availabe, this then causes bad feeling among the wider society, causing riots.
if it sorts that out then it has a lot going for it

[Lemur]

Which is strange to me considering France is the beacon of the nanny-state socialist utopia that many leftist dream of and many misguided American citizens want as well.

I know, whose idea was it to model a "guest worker" program on the French? Oh, wait, don't tell me ...

And yes, it is a little absurd that the news release can't bring themselves to say the "M" word ...

[scotchedpommes]

The violence recalled the riots that raged in mostly poor suburbs around the country last year -- the worst incident of civil strife in France in four decades.

Gangs of youths -- most of them from families of African and Arab origin -- torched more than 10,000 cars and firebombed 300 buildings in around 275 towns.

Social alienation, high unemployment, racial discrimination and tensions over integrating France's sizeable Muslim community were all cited as reasons for the riots.

Does that not satisfy your need to see the M connection? Would have
thought it clear in any case that the unemployment and apparent alienation
were more an issue than simply that which might not be mentioned.

[Mooks]

Why cant the French authorties take care of the rioters? Get the military in there, this is a embarrasment to their country.

[Xiahou]

I know, whose idea was it to model a "guest worker" program on the French? Oh, wait, don't tell me ...

Probably the same guy who got taken to the woodshed for the idea by his support base.

And yes, it is a little absurd that the news release can't bring themselves to say the "M" word ...

If you read the mainstream American media, you'd believe the riots and arsons ended last year. It's like a virtual blackout on the rioting over here.

[Tribesman]

If you read the mainstream American media, you'd believe the riots and arsons ended last year. It's like a virtual blackout on the rioting over here.

How much coverage has the protests and riots in Mexico recieved (not the ones over the election) over there ?

Why cant the French authorties take care of the rioters? Get the military in there, this is a embarrasment to their country.

I think you will find that countries don't like sending in the military as it can turn out rather embarrasing , though of course some countries love sending their military out on the streets .
Whats that big square in China called ?

[Meneldil]

If you read the mainstream American media, you'd believe the riots and arsons ended last year. It's like a virtual blackout on the rioting over here.

I might not have understood your sentence, but if you're speaking about the french riots, yeah, they ended last year. What we have here is likely a group of retards that decided it would be a good idea to celebrate the first annyversary of the riots (that started approximately at the same date one year ago). It's not as if all suburbs were rioting once again.

Thats pretty sad if you can't even trust your military to follow a simple order of defend and restore order to your country. Ironic and funny as heck though. I'm curious does the French military still have execution as a punishment for desertion and treason?

Well, as far as I know, there are a lot of black people in the French army, and that doesn't prevent us from firing at people in Ivory Coast and other African countries.
I mean, there are a whole lot of latinos in the US army. Would they refuse to obey during an hypotetical war with Mexico ? I think Fragony pushes his usual anti-muslim/arab arguing a bit too far, once again :-p

Why cant the French authorties take care of the rioters? Get the military in there, this is a embarrasment to their country.

Sad but true. Even sadder if you know that a century ago, the military was shooting at everything that looked more or less like the beginning of a riot, with the blessing of our republican (in the french meaning of republican, ie. people who pretended to be the followers of 1789) gvt's.
Now, if you even try to think "Get the military in there, public order must be assured beforehand" people will start calling you fascist, nazi and what not.

[Blodrast]

@Scurvy: so that makes it right ? And are they oppressed because of the bus drivers ? Or was it the 26 year old woman oppressing them ?

@Dave: well, lemme put it this way: they'll continue to be horrified, they'll strongly condemn this kind of actions, and they'll do their best to resolve the situation. Does that answer your question?

[Devastatin Dave]

@Dave: well, lemme put it this way: they'll continue to be horrified, they'll strongly condemn this kind of actions, and they'll do their best to resolve the situation. Does that answer your question?

Yes it answer my question...
Paris will be the capital of Eurabia. Allah Akbar, as the "youths" would say.

[Scurvy]

@Scurvy: so that makes it right ? And are they oppressed because of the bus drivers ? Or was it the 26 year old woman oppressing them ?

It doesnt make it right, but it explains the cause of their actions

[Devastatin Dave]

It doesnt make it right, but it explains the cause of their actions

edited, sorry Scurvy

[Slyspy]

That is not what Scurvy said.

[caravel]

And that is....?

The riots are horrible, i agree with chirac on that, but the reason its mainly people of African + Asian decent is because they are generally the poorest rung of society, and therefore the most liable to riot and revert to crime etc. (this is true of any country, its normally those with the lowest living standards who cause the most crime etc.)

I'm not sure about that. There have been similar sentiments among some immigrants in the UK, yet despite their complaints they seem to be doing rather well for themselves. They often cry inequality and poverty on one hand but refuse to integrate and learn english on the other. White people are pretty much at the bottom of the ladder in many UK cities now. Whenever I go into a shop, I'm served by an asian, when I go to hospital it's often an asian doctor. They rent property and own companies, and if they don't do any of that, the welfare state pays for them. They're not living in poverty here. The teenage pregnancy and long term unemployment crowd all seem to be white. The whites here have a lot to be pissed off about, yet they're not out rioting and burning buses. If they were I've no doubt that they would be instantly crushed by a large scale police mobilization in full riot gear. If they were muslims then we'd all need to "understand" that the "main reason" for their destructive behaviour is in fact "poverty", "racism" and "misunderstanding", and that we as the tax payer should simply shut up and pay for the mess to be cleaned up.

While we have a two faced governement that concentrates on blowing muslims up abroad, while effectively "blowing" muslims at home, then this does not look like changing any time soon.

Welcome to the nanny state that is the EU.

[Tribesman]

While I agree with most of your post, Neo-Nazis are not christian bubba, their Nazi's.

Now that deserves a special appeal to the moderators .
Considering the admin problems (thanks guys it was appreciated) that were caused due to my last mention of a neo-nazi group that was in the news , is there any chance of a special dispensation to link directly to a wide selection of neo-nazi websites that claim to be Christian .

I only ask since it seems that Tex has a gap in his knowledge .
Or would it be better if I PM'd him a link to four neo-nazi "christian" websites from his own glorious state of Texas(though Iam sure I could find more than the 4 that I amalready aware of)?

[Tribesman]

Like the one I heard during the night .........

Yep thats the one , has the coverage been going on for several months , has it covered the allegations of the murder of protesters , the claims by the original protest , the further claims by the add on protests , the settlement to the earlier protest or the approaches to the later protests ?

Or is it just ...."big news something happened yesterday"

Is it a big news blackout from the main stream media , or is that protests in another country and attempts to remedy the problem are not a big newsworthy story when there is so much other crap to write about , until of course something happens to bring it back into the mediaspotlight .

I see the reports from Mexico concerning violence about every other day - but then I live in a border state

So it is a local issue then , its not like a It's like a virtual blackout on the rioting over here.

[Randarkmaan]

Which is strange to me considering France is the beacon of the nanny-state socialist utopia that many leftist dream of and many misguided American citizens want as well.

When did France become that? Don't they just have a lot of laws saying that you can't display your religion in public and some laws which make it very hard for immigrants (and their offspring) to get recognized as citizens and therefore get work. I thought Norway and Sweden were the prime example of what you call 'nanny-state socialist' (actually social democratic, 'socialist' is like the Soviet Union) and last I checked we and Sweden were managing really well.

The riots are horrible, i agree with chirac on that, but the reason its mainly people of African + Asian decent is because they are generally the poorest rung of society, and therefore the most liable to riot and revert to crime etc. (this is true of any country, its normally those with the lowest living standards who cause the most crime etc.)

I agree with this, people who have little are the most likely to be dissatisfied with their society and try to find excuses, and/or reasons, for their misery (or 'misery').

Also (not anything to do with this) I just have to say this once and for all: Liberalism is NOT left-wing, it's right-wing (though possibly centre-right)!

[Tribesman]

I thought Norway and Sweden were the prime example of what you call 'nanny-state socialist' (actually social democratic, 'socialist' is like the Soviet Union) and last I checked we and Sweden were managing really well.

Yeah but Sweden isn't one of those counties in europe ......
Ok scratch that .
how about Sweden didn't think the war was a stupid idea ....
oops ...damn .
I know , Sweden isn't France Yep that works .

Alos I just have to say this once and for all: Liberalism is NOT left-wing, it's right-wing (though possibly centre-right)!

Firstly , who is Alos ?
Secondly , Liberalism is the cause whatever someone wants to moan about , do not try and define it , it is just one of those flexible words that some people can apply to absolutely anything they wish

[Randarkmaan]

'Alos' is the mispelled version of 'also'

how about Sweden didn't think the war was a stupid idea ....
oops ...damn .

Anyway Sweden's neutrality during World War II was a little questionable. I find it interesting that we (Norwegians) and likely Swedes as well don't learn that nearly half the Norwegian refugees who made their way to Sweden during World War II were given over to the Germans after they got in (many of whom were Jews).

[Brenus]

“Wouldn't it be more embarrasing to watch all those French troops surrendering to guys torching cars.” Ha ha ha… Still full of humour are we?
Still the "surendering cheese eaters monkeys" mood, I can feel it.

“They thought it would be a good idea too contract a lot of muslims in the army, they are worried they will switch sides. Nope, frenchies are on their own on this one.” Always had of Muslims in the French army and they never betrayed. Just read a little bit about the French army. I mean, if you succeed to go over your prejudices…

“I'm curious does the French military still have execution as a punishment for desertion and treason?” In time of war, yes.

By the way, nobody knows the colour and the religion of the guys who did that.
Secondly, it happened in a town (Marseilles) which wasn’t affected by the riots.
Third, there are no riots actually in France. Phoned this week end to my family there, and you know what, they didn’t barricade their houses.
Fourth, it is because we don’t have weapons in the street that the “riots” stopped at flaming cars.
Fifth, the poor burned girl (60%), a student in medical studies, is from African origin. Not in your newspapers I supposed, it would spoil all the explanations...

“Which is strange to me considering France is the beacon of the nanny-state socialist utopia that many leftist dream of and many misguided American citizens want as well.” Just check Chirac and Sarkozy political background, and study political history of France the last 60 years, you may have a surprise…

“Why cant the French authorties take care of the rioters? Get the military in there, this is a embarrasment to their country.” Military are not god in maintaining order. They are not trained for that. And the French have the Compagnies Republicaines de Securité to do the job. What a hell soldiers could do in this case?

“When did France become that? Don't they just have a lot of laws saying that you can't display your religion in public and some laws which make it very hard for immigrants (and their offspring) to get recognized as citizens and therefore get work” No they don’t have laws like that. They have law which say you have to be neutral when you are in an administration, school or if you are a public servant. That means you can’t show your religious belonging, philosophical or political involvement in wearing too big and obvious sign of your obedience. If you walk in French streets, you will see women in Burka, or other traditional clothes from various parts of the world…
And to be French is in fact quite easy. You born in France, or French territory, or one of your parents is French.

[Redleg]

Yep thats the one , has the coverage been going on for several months , has it covered the allegations of the murder of protesters , the claims by the original protest , the further claims by the add on protests , the settlement to the earlier protest or the approaches to the later protests ?

Well it has covered it since the teachers initially went on strike.

Is it a big news blackout from the main stream media , or is that protests in another country and attempts to remedy the problem are not a big newsworthy story when there is so much other crap to write about , until of course something happens to bring it back into the mediaspotlight .

as stated before - I live in a border state, it has been covered several times.

So it is a local issue then , its not like a It's like a virtual blackout on the rioting over here.

[/quote]

Not a local issue at all - it happens to be a regional issue that is covered because of its impact on Mexico. Unless of course your attepting to lump regional news into the catergory of local news......


Sort of takes it out of the local news by its very definition of being in Mexico. Local news in Dallas happens to be several pages thick in the paper because of the size of the Metroplex.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Is it a big news blackout from the main stream media , or is that protests in another country and attempts to remedy the problem are not a big newsworthy story when there is so much other crap to write about , until of course something happens to bring it back into the mediaspotlight .

So it is a local issue then, its not like a It's like a virtual blackout on the rioting over here.

Actually, our broadcast networks devote very little time to news of any sort, much less news that is not "local."

A typical evening news broadcast is slated for 30 minutes.

6 minutes of that is devoted to advertising.

5 minutes each for weather and sports.

2-5 minutes for some "light" interest pieces to balance all the "heavy" news at the opening of the broadcast.

1 minute for intros/signoffs/reporter introductions and the like.

So, perhaps 10 minutes of news. At a good professional reading speed, roughly 2 minutes per page, that means that all that gets discussed is what you can cram into 5 type-written pages or so.

Fortunately for the US of A, we follow 30 minutes of local news with 30 minutes of national news so that the 10 minutes of real news is covered twice...virtually word for word...with no need to include other subjects!

After that of course, we devote two 30 minute repeating broadcasts of entertainment news such as ET or Hollywood Insider, since having 2.5 times as much news time devoted to celebrity watching as to actual news is vital to the maintenance of the republic. Besides, it gears people up properly for an hour or so of "dancing with the stars."

Overall, my view of this is:

[Papewaio]

Now that deserves a special appeal to the moderators .
Considering the admin problems (thanks guys it was appreciated) that were caused due to my last mention of a neo-nazi group that was in the news , is there any chance of a special dispensation to link directly to a wide selection of neo-nazi websites that claim to be Christian .

I only ask since it seems that Tex has a gap in his knowledge .
Or would it be better if I PM'd him a link to four neo-nazi "christian" websites from his own glorious state of Texas(though Iam sure I could find more than the 4 that I amalready aware of)?

Even though it would aptly prove my point I don't want to see any direct links with hate sites here or any hate propaganda even if it is to show how disqusting they are. A simple search will show up a plethora of neo-nazis who call themselves christians

Many neo-nazi groups are white supremists who see themselves as the master race selected by a Christian God. Not very hard to see if someone is willing to remove the veil of ignorance.

Does it make them Christians? Yes, about as much as terrorists who kill in the name of the Catholic church in Ireland made bad connotations for Catholics in general, and terrorists who kill in the name of the Muslim faith around the world are making for a bad reputation for Muslims.

However selecting a powerbase as ones recruiting pool and actually being part of it let alone a representative of what that religion is, are two different things.

I don't think any Christian here at the Org would want to have Phelps being used as the model for their religion anymore then a Muslim here at the Org would want Osama Bin Laden being used as the model for their religion.