I protest!

[CrossLOPER]

Much like what is going on in Iraq is not the result of the wonderful operation that took the nation, but the post war screwups that have plagued it.

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"Wonderful Operation"?

It eradicated slavery, the problem, which was neatly solved.

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"Neatly Solved"?

[Mooks]

Without wars, then there would be many more countries in the world right now. Society would have thousands more languages, since the conqueres usually brought their language their conquered countries (Know that most languages in Europe are mutations of latin, which the roman legions brought, France had many more languages when Casaer invaded). And The USA as we know it wouldnt exist, because we couldnt force indians off their land (No wars remember?). True we would be technologically advanced more then we are now, but we would also be much more populated (War also brings Starvation, desieses, homelessness besides the death toll at the end of a battle).

Diaspora wouldnt happen. Jesus being executed on the cross wouldnt happen (Since the romans wouldnt be in Judea in the first place without conquering it). Islam wouldnt have spread as fast (As far as I know, Im not that knowledgable on that religion).

All in all, I think wars are part of nature and should happen. The world would be too fractured.

[Reverend Joe]

All in all, I think wars are part of nature and should happen. The world would be too fractured.

Exactly. This is my opinion on war as well; it is necessary. But it is by no stretch of the imagination good; it is just part of a basic balancing act of society. Just like earthquakes.

[Mooks]

Exactly. This is my opinion on war as well; it is necessary. But it is by no stretch of the imagination good; it is just part of a basic balancing act of society. Just like earthquakes.

How are earthquakes in any way, shape, or form good?

[ajaxfetish]

Zorba didn't imply that earthquakes are in any way good. He opined that war and earthquakes are alike in being necessary but in no way good.

Ajax

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Civil War has many of the same problems as the Second World War; mainly, the "rightwingers" still lived and thrived, as well as having more reason to hate Blacks than ever before.

It was most certainly not the rightwingers that supported the Jim Crow laws, it was the democrat party- the direct ancestor of today's party - aka the 'leftwingers'.

CR

[ajaxfetish]

Because the Democratic party is left-wing today does not mean it was left-wing at the time of the civil war. Liberal/Conservative is a measure independent of party, not an essential part of a party's nature.

Ajax

[Reverend Joe]

It was most certainly not the rightwingers that supported the Jim Crow laws, it was the democrat party- the direct ancestor of today's party - aka the 'leftwingers'.

CR

Damn, man, you need to read a history book!

The Democrats of the Civil War era, and just about up to Franklin Roosevelt, were very conservative, pro state's rights people. They were most definitely what would today be considered rightwing. It wasn't until the era of the Depression that the parties pulled a 180.

So, yeah, the Democrats created the Jim Crow laws -- but they were not leftwing. In fact, they were closer to being pro-aristocratic/feudal.

[Crazed Rabbit]

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"Neatly Solved"?

Way to completely ignore the rest of my post after that. Sheesh.

True we would be technologically advanced more then we are now, but we would also be much more populated

I doubt that, seeing as how many technologies have come about through war.

CR

[CrossLOPER]

Way to completely ignore the rest of my post after that. Sheesh.

[ Insert a: War
Insert b: The mess afterward]

If b occurs after a, a couldn't have been very neat, could it?