Manipulation of the Media

**IRONxMortlock** · 10-31-2006, 02:19

Yes, it appears Al-Qaida's giant information ministry, staffed with thousands of willing islamofascists working at thousands of computers in the heart of Terror City has been deviously manipulating the media.

In fact, rather than the souls of the tens of thousands of innocent people he has killed, the almost 3,000 American soliders he needlessly sent to their deaths or screams of those he has approved for torture keeping Rummy awake at night, it is only this manipulation of the media that keeps him from a peaceful slumber.

Isn't the solution obvious then? To these nut jobs it certainly is - let the government manipulate the media even futher! Afterall, they are the ones who know the truth so why not let them provide us ALL of our information.

This new propaganda unit will "develop messages for the 24-hour news cycle and aim to correct the record". You can be happy in the thought that Rummy will be sleeping easy now that the government "...would monitor media such as weblogs and would also employ "surrogates", or top politicians or lobbyists who could be interviewed on TV and radio shows".

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

We truely live in frightening times.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6100906.stm

**CrossLOPER** · 10-31-2006, 02:30

IRONxMortlock...

They do not appreciate what you are trying to do. You had better stop before they have to correct you.

**Xiahou** · 10-31-2006, 02:47

Originally Posted by article

Pentagon mounts media offensive

Good.

**IRONxMortlock** · 10-31-2006, 04:22

Originally Posted by Xiahou

Good.

Good?

I guess some people enjoy having their news replaced by blatant military propaganda.

Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

IRONxMortlock...
They do not appreciate what you are trying to do. You had better stop before they have to correct you.

LOL, but I definitely see a trend towards something very sinister here. I wonder how long/how many more terrorist attacks it will take before Americans who openly critise their government find themselves in some form of internment camp?

**Papewaio** · 10-31-2006, 04:27

Torture, propaganda and the right to use the military within the borders!

North Korea? Nope
Stalinist Russia? Nope
Leader of the Free World? Well I do appreciate irony but it is a bit far to call that now. Failing to convert idealology into reality is not a step forwards methinks.

**CrossLOPER** · 10-31-2006, 04:38

Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

LOL, but I definitely see a trend towards something very sinister here. I wonder how long/how many more terrorist attacks it will take before Americans who openly critise their government find themselves in some form of internment camp?

What? No rolling eyes?

**Crazed Rabbit** · 10-31-2006, 04:52

I gotta say, I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuvvv all these threads where foreigners worry about domestic US laws for us people who just happen to live in the US.

Especially when they blow it way out of proportion; like this.
The military want's to get its version of the facts out? It's propaganda just like 1984!
A law allowing easier use of the Nat'l guard by the fed after the fed was criticized for states not using their nat'l guards- military occupation of the US!

I'm not even going to bother responding point by point to all the crap posted in this thread.

CR

**IRONxMortlock** · 11-01-2006, 05:50

It simply blows my mind that anyone would WANT to have the truth replaced by government sunshine and lollipops stories. Oh well, at least you'll have some "information" with which you can further rationalise your support of an illegal and immoral war.

Anyway, I had said everything I needed to say so I was going to leave this thread be. However there are a few things that need to be corrected.

Firstly the issue of a non-US citizen commenting on US domestic policy:
I can’t stand the arrogant and condescending tone some people have demonstrated about this. Sorry mighty lords for even daring to think about discussing US domestic policy! I notice that hasn’t stopped many American’s chiming in on topics relevant only to other countries’ domestic laws etc. (not blaming Americans for doing so BTW, it doesn’t bother me at all if American’s talk about what happens in my neck of the woods. In fact, I believe it’s great to get an outside perspective). I've already answered why I feel compelled to comment and concern myself with some US domestic policy.
1. I don't want to see US citizens living in a dictatorship.
2. I don't want the world to have to deal with the danger of a US dictatorship.
I don't believe the dictatorship is here yet but it isn't going to happen in one big jump, it will come with the acceptance of many "little" issues. A little loss of habeas corpus here, a bit of biometric information imprinted on compulsory ID cards there, the military allowed to police civilians, a bit of military propaganda under the guise of news, a growing divide between rich and poor. Each a step closer to despotism. One more major terrorist attack and ta-dah – dictatorship. But once again I digress.

Specifically relating to this thread however, I believe this is also a matter of US foreign policy. I'm sure this new propaganda will also be aimed at foreign news sources. Globalisation has created a fairly interlinked media network and plenty of this new "news" will end up in my face. In fact, I believe this may be one of the primary reasons for creating this new "media correction unit"; to improve America's global image and "manage the perceptions" of world opinion. After all, if we don't agree with the official line then we need to be "corrected" don’t we?

There's skeletons in every countries closet, but at least at guantonimo because of the military commisions act they will recieve trials.

Lol, yeah I'm sure they will receive and fair "trial" and be shot at dawn. In using this comparison it’s good to see that you also consider the concentration camps in Gitmo a war crime. However I think you’ve missed the point about the media being manipulated. I used that picture to show an example of doublespeak (and yes CR, I am aware that the US base and its slogan in Cuba has a longer history than the current gulags there). Tex, Your picture doesn’t seem relevant to the discussion at all. Rather it appears to be a vulgar attempt to stifle debate by depicting the despicable actions of an empire which expired more than 60 years ago. I guess it was inevitable for the “you can’t talk because your country does/did x” line of arguments to appear. There are two such arguments in this thread alone! Even if I was Japanese, which I am not (my work brought me to Japan), I fail to see how what I didn’t have anything to do with 60 years ago would somehow destroy my arguments about present day topics.

**Ice** · 11-01-2006, 06:23

It simply blows my mind that anyone would WANT to have the truth replaced by government sunshine and lollipops stories. Oh well, at least you'll have some "information" with which you can further rationalise your support of an illegal and immoral war.

There is no such thing as a "moral war". War is war. It also always cracks me up when people use the word illegal. What exactly is a legal war?

Anyway, I had said everything I needed to say so I was going to leave this thread be. However there are a few things that need to be corrected.

Firstly the issue of a non-US citizen commenting on US domestic policy:
I can’t stand the arrogant and condescending tone some people have demonstrated about this. Sorry mighty lords for even daring to think about discussing US domestic policy! I notice that hasn’t stopped many American’s chiming in on topics relevant only to other countries’ domestic laws etc. (not blaming Americans for doing so BTW, it doesn’t bother me at all if American’s talk about what happens in my neck of the woods. In fact, I believe it’s great to get an outside perspective). I've already answered why I feel compelled to comment and concern myself with some US domestic policy.
1. I don't want to see US citizens living in a dictatorship.
2. I don't want the world to have to deal with the danger of a US dictatorship.
I don't believe the dictatorship is here yet but it isn't going to happen in one big jump, it will come with the acceptance of many "little" issues. A little loss of habeas corpus here, a bit of biometric information imprinted on compulsory ID cards there, the military allowed to police civilians, a bit of military propaganda under the guise of news, a growing divide between rich and poor. Each a step closer to despotism. One more major terrorist attack and ta-dah – dictatorship. But once again I digress.

Far fetched at best.

It's not the fact that we are arrogant and think our country is perfect, it's the fact we constantly get people like you coming up with these far fetched scenarios over every little far fetched detail that you can possibily dig up. It gets REALLY old after a while.

By the way, "Mighty Lords"? What's your problem, bud? I simply stated above that I'll stay out of your domesetic policy, if you stay out of mine. Who has the issues now?

Specifically relating to this thread however, I believe this is also a matter of US foreign policy. I'm sure this new propaganda will also be aimed at foreign news sources. Globalisation has created a fairly interlinked media network and plenty of this new "news" will end up in my face. In fact, I believe this may be one of the primary reasons for creating this new "media correction unit"; to improve America's global image and "manage the perceptions" of world opinion. After all, if we don't agree with the official line then we need to be "corrected" don’t we?

More far fetched conspiracy theories. This stuff never gets old.

**BigTex** · 11-01-2006, 09:10

Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

It simply blows my mind that anyone would WANT to have the truth replaced by government sunshine and lollipops stories. Oh well, at least you'll have some "information" with which you can further rationalise your support of an illegal and immoral war.

First of all war in and of itself has no ground on morality, its a horid and atrocious thing. but it happens and it is neccesary sometimes, both in its defensive and aggresive forms. Secondly there is no such thing as an illegal war, the blame or legality of a war is merely a way for the victor to apply to the defeated in most cases. And at last to the actuall point of this thread, whats wrong with a channel devoted to the military, it'll just be like CSPAN and CSPAN2. 2 channels I might add that most people in other countries don't get or wont know about. If you dont want to hear what they want, or you want a view thats slanted more towards your line of thinking or just want to hear some good ol American bashing stick to the BBC.

Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

Firstly the issue of a non-US citizen commenting on US domestic policy:
I can’t stand the arrogant and condescending tone some people have demonstrated about this. Sorry mighty lords for even daring to think about discussing US domestic policy!

It wont affect you at all, thats the problem with a foriegn citizen complaining about it. It wont amount to much and most likely you wont get the channel even by your satelite provider.

Tex, Your picture doesn’t seem relevant to the discussion at all. Rather it appears to be a vulgar attempt to stifle debate

Neither was that Iron. That has neither a thing to do with the channel being created or the previous discussion on the debate of foriegners discussing and trying to influence domestic law. It is nothing more then a vulgar and disgusting attempt to crush and quell all dissent. I pointed out if you want to play that way, I can too.

Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

Freedom is Indefinite Detention Without Trial.

Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

you can’t talk because your country does/did x

Funny, ain't it.

**IRONxMortlock** · 11-01-2006, 11:34

Originally Posted by BigTex

Neither was that Iron. That has neither a thing to do with the channel being created or the previous discussion on the debate of foriegners discussing and trying to influence domestic law. It is nothing more then a vulgar and disgusting attempt to crush and quell all dissent. I pointed out if you want to play that way, I can too.

Funny, ain't it.

Ummm, no. I posted that in response to CR and how he complained about jumping off the gun to 1984 references. Although I didn't specifically state that I did post it almost immediately after a quote of his comment. I thought that would be self explanatory.

I never made any statement or inference that because your country runs concentration camps that your opinions are somehow not valid. I never tried to play that game, you did.