Manipulation of the Media

[CrossLOPER]

IRONxMortlock...

They do not appreciate what you are trying to do. You had better stop before they have to correct you.

[Xiahou]

Pentagon mounts media offensive

Good.

[IRONxMortlock]

Good.

Good?

I guess some people enjoy having their news replaced by blatant military propaganda.

IRONxMortlock...
They do not appreciate what you are trying to do. You had better stop before they have to correct you.

LOL, but I definitely see a trend towards something very sinister here. I wonder how long/how many more terrorist attacks it will take before Americans who openly critise their government find themselves in some form of internment camp?

[Papewaio]

Torture, propaganda and the right to use the military within the borders!

North Korea? Nope
Stalinist Russia? Nope
Leader of the Free World? Well I do appreciate irony but it is a bit far to call that now. Failing to convert idealology into reality is not a step forwards methinks.

[CrossLOPER]

LOL, but I definitely see a trend towards something very sinister here. I wonder how long/how many more terrorist attacks it will take before Americans who openly critise their government find themselves in some form of internment camp?

What? No rolling eyes?

[Crazed Rabbit]

I gotta say, I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuvvv all these threads where foreigners worry about domestic US laws for us people who just happen to live in the US.

Especially when they blow it way out of proportion; like this.
The military want's to get its version of the facts out? It's propaganda just like 1984!
A law allowing easier use of the Nat'l guard by the fed after the fed was criticized for states not using their nat'l guards- military occupation of the US!

I'm not even going to bother responding point by point to all the crap posted in this thread.

CR

[CrossLOPER]

I gotta say, I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuvvv all these threads where foreigners worry about domestic US laws for us people who just happen to live in the US.

I live in the US at this time, so I think I have some sort of say.

Especially when they blow it way out of proportion; like this.
The military want's to get its version of the facts out? It's propaganda just like 1984!

Well, saying everything is nice and shiny and covering up anything remotely damaging is kinda... um... not good.

A law allowing easier use of the Nat'l guard by the fed after the fed was criticized for states not using their nat'l guards- military occupation of the US!

You want to have trigger-happy soldiers hopping about your home whenever someone high up wills it?

I'm not even going to bother responding point by point to all the crap posted in this thread.


CR

OK, but I called you cupcake. You just keep that in mind.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I live in the US at this time, so I think I have some sort of say.

Well, I suppose...just this once.

Well, saying everything is nice and shiny and covering up anything remotely damaging is kinda... um... not good.

They are not covering up anything, merely getting their version across- free speech, you know.

You want to have trigger-happy soldiers hopping about your home whenever someone high up wills it?

No law allows that.

OK, but I called you cupcake. You just keep that in mind.

Okaaaaaaaaay.

You see one thing "leftists" do have that those who make up the right-wing echo-chamber lack, is empathy. blah blah blah I AM concerned for the well being of US citizens and it distresses me greatly to see their democracy being torn to shreads in what is supposedly an effort to "protect" it.

I am also concerned for the rest of the world. The last thing the world needs is a WMD armed rouge superpower headed by a dictatorial band of corporatists going around blowing up more people.

I believe I am right to worry and I will express my concerns. You don't like it, that's fine, don't read it then.

That's hilarious. I suppose your empathy is selective, if you opposed the invasion of Iraq.
It's also hilarious someone from Japan is criticizing US democracy and then goes on to call us a dictatorial band of corporatists.

We don't need other people exagerrating beyond reality the lastest thing 'bushitlerburton' has done to 'destroy the US';

That new law makes it possible for one man to call the military onto the streets to police the civilian population whenever he sees it nesecary. That's a pretty big jump towards despotism.

The military has more than ample opportunity to get their side of the story out - Pentagon press conferences, interviews, embedded reporters, spokemen. It shouldn't be allowed to manufacture news any more than it already does.

Guess what- the MSM decides what to print, not the Pentagon. They aren't manufacturing news, merely trying to get the MSM to report on some good things once and a while.

EDIT - Speaking of 1984 and doublespeak I just came across this; a wonderful example of 1984 style doublespeak.

Are you aware of the history of Camp Gitmo? It appears not.

Rabbit: an honest question for you, because I am truly puzzled that you of all people (meaning, non-extremist views, does research on posts, very much coherent and logical) are stating that all is pink in the land of the free. Please tell me, and I am not being sarcastic in this, do you truly believe that the American people have as many rights, and as much freedom as they had, say, 10 or 15 years ago ?

I don't think the situation is pink, and have grave concerns about some abuses of government power (ironically almost never brought up here); asset seizure and the 'war on drugs', especially the militarization of police.
But I don't think these laws are going to lead to President for Life Bush or any other nonsense.
As for rights- more than 10 years ago, less than 15. I'm basing this mainly on the dates of the assualt weapons ban. Though McCain-Feingold campagin finance reform (we must regulate the money in politics! And speech is worth money! Regulate speech! as it has come to pass in Washington state) tips the scale in favor of less rights. I dispise every idiot who signed that, including Pres Bush, and the constitution shredding Supreme Court that upheld a law banning people from running ads mentioning a candidate's name 30 days before the election.
All is not rosy, but neither is it the apocalypse.

CR

[IRONxMortlock]

I gotta say, I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuvvv all these threads where foreigners worry about domestic US laws for us people who just happen to live in the US.

CR[/QUOTE]

You see one thing "leftists" do have that those who make up the right-wing echo-chamber lack, is empathy. The ability to feel for others. To put yourself into someone else's shoes. To see it from the other side, to get an appreciation for what it might feel like to suffer from injustice - what it's like to have a bunch of foreign soldiers kick in your door at 4AM, kill your son and take your husband away for 6 months of "questioning". What it's like to be locked away without trial for years. What it's like to live in police state where you must watch what you say. I AM concerned for the well being of US citizens and it distresses me greatly to see their democracy being torn to shreads in what is supposedly an effort to "protect" it.

I am also concerned for the rest of the world. The last thing the world needs is a WMD armed rouge superpower headed by a dictatorial band of corporatists going around blowing up more people.

I believe I am right to worry and I will express my concerns. You don't like it, that's fine, don't read it then.

A law allowing easier use of the Nat'l guard by the fed after the fed was criticized for states not using their nat'l guards- military occupation of the US!

That new law makes it possible for one man to call the military onto the streets to police the civilian population whenever he sees it nesecary. That's a pretty big jump towards despotism.

Especially when they blow it way out of proportion; like this.
The military want's to get its version of the facts out? It's propaganda just like 1984!

Back on topic,

The military has more than ample opportunity to get their side of the story out - Pentagon press conferences, interviews, embedded reporters, spokemen. It shouldn't be allowed to manufacture news any more than it already does.

EDIT - Speaking of 1984 and doublespeak I just came across this; a wonderful example of 1984 style doublespeak.

Freedom is Indefinite Detention Without Trial.

[Ice]

I AM concerned for the well being of US citizens and it distresses me greatly to see their democracy being torn to shreads in what is supposedly an effort to "protect" it.

Thank you for your concern, but we can handle this without outside help. Thank you, have a nice day.

[Xiahou]

I gotta say, I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuvvv all these threads where foreigners worry about domestic US laws for us people who just happen to live in the US.

Particularly when most of their own countries are far closer to a police state than our own.

Good?

I guess some people enjoy having their news replaced by blatant military propaganda.

Yeah, that'll happen.

Yes, good. The terrorists are having little trouble getting their propoganda out- CNN runs their tapes for them, it's about time the US got it's act together on this front. Propaganda has been a huge part of every successful war effort and we've been doing a poor job of it thus far.

[Fragony]

I gotta say, I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuvvv all these threads where foreigners worry about domestic US laws for us people who just happen to live in the US.

It's use usually eludes me as well. There is plenty of madness within our own borders.