John Kerry showing how liberals "Support the Troops"

[Redleg]

Silly, true, and needlessly hostile. So I've never joined the US Army, and thereby haven't got any real insight into it's internal workings? Sue me. Doesn't stop me from agreeing with a statement that may or may not be true.

No need for me to sue you. If you found the statement needlessly hostile maybe you should review what you have wrote, and do a little actual research on the subject before agreeing with a politican who is saying something that is ridicolous to score politicial points with the ill informed.

Now a moderator as asked me to edit my previous statement - but I shall wait until I see a retraction of your own comments first.

[Justiciar]

No need for me to sue you. If you found the statement needlessly hostile maybe you should review what you have wrote.

Done. Can't see anything wrong with it. I've expressed a view point, and acknowledged that it may well be wrong. Afterall, it's ill informed, like you said.

[Redleg]

Done. Can't see anything wrong with it. I've expressed a view point, and ackowledged that it may well be wrong. And you're still throwing your toys out of the pram.

Incorrect -

[Crazed Rabbit]

Now the American Veterans group is firing at Kerry:

To: City Desk,

Contact: Joseph Chenelly of AMVETS, 301-683-4035, or jchenelly@amvets.org

LANHAM, Md., Oct. 31 /U.S. Newswire/ -- AMVETS' National Commander expressed disbelief and disappointment in the comments by Senator John Kerry Monday.

“For the Senator to suggest that today’s United States military is made up of uneducated men and women who didn’t ‘study hard’ or ‘make an effort to be smart’ is ridiculous and appalling,” AMVETS National Commander Thomas C. McGriff said Tuesday. “The men and women in uniform today make up the most advanced, highly-educated force ever seen. To suggest otherwise is a slap in the face to every soldier, sailor, airman, Marine and Coast Guardsman who has spent countless hours working to better him or herself. This is also an insult to every person and organization who has worked tirelessly to provide our troops and their families with education benefits.

“Senator Kerry should retract his remarks and apologize immediately,” McGriff said after listening to comments made by Senator Kerry at a political rally in Pasadena, Calif., Monday. “It is especially outrageous coming from a member of the U.S. Senate.”

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A leader since 1944 in preserving the freedoms secured by America's Armed Forces, AMVETS is the only veterans service organization that represents members of every branch of the military, including the National Guard and Reserve. AMVETS provides support for veterans and the active military in procuring their earned entitlements as well as community services that enhance veterans’ quality of life. More information on AMVETS can be found at http://www.amvets.org.

Media organizations seeking further comment or more information should contact the AMVETS National Headquarters by calling 301-683-4035.

But of course Kerry knows better than those stupid vets.

CR

[BigTex]

Done. Can't see anything wrong with it. I've expressed a view point, and ackowledged that it may well be wrong. And you're still throwing your toys out of the pram.

He's more then likely angered because you've agreed with a statement that calls him an uneducated idiot. This is why Kerry's statement is wrong, he's calling a large portion of the bravest citizens uneducated idiots, ironically including himself.

[Justiciar]

But I've said twice now that THAT ISN'T WHAT I MEANT.



I'm sorry if that's what you think I'm saying, Redleg, seriously. And if it's what Kerry is saying then I misunderstood him.

[BigTex]

Edited-mithrandirs request.

education if you make the most of it, study hard and do your homework and make an effort to be smart you'll do well. If you don't you get stuck in iraq.

There isnt much not to understand there, he's saying if your in iraq, your not smart, you didn't study hard and you don't have much of an education.

Does that make sense to you?

What portion is not understandable. He called the hundreds of thousands of citizens that served in iraq and the to numerous to count veterans of previous wars idiots. He is also one of those vet's.

[CrossLOPER]

TWhat portion is not understandable. He called the hundreds of thousands of citizens that served in iraq and the to numerous to count veterans of previous wars idiots. He is also one of those vet's.

I mean do you really believe that the people that are commonly labled as "liberal", including Kerry in this case, truly feel this way?

[Redleg]

I mean do you really believe that the people that are commonly labled as "liberal", including Kerry in this case, truly feel this way?

Kerry's problem is that he more then likely does feel this way for numerous reasons. However the majority of individuals that are "liberal" don't believe this way, especially the "liberials" in the military.

Its rather humorous that in Kerry's attempt to pander to a vocal minority within his party, he just stepped into insulting a vast number of people within his own party with his statements.

[Redleg]

But I've said twice now that THAT ISN'T WHAT I MEANT.



I'm sorry if that's what you think I'm saying, Redleg, seriously. And if it's what Kerry is saying then I misunderstood him.

As I stated earlier take a good look at what you wrote, and see how it will be taken by veterns or those that are serving in the armed forces.

Seems like a reasonable statement to make. Militaries the world over see kids with poor grades and "no hope" for a future as their primary target for recruitment.

freedom hating liberals, eh?

as I stated earlier i found it a cheap shot and one based upon being un-informed or as I wrote it initally before it was edited by the moderator.

Your statement here indicates you realize that your statement is nothing other then a cheap shot at something you have never bothered to become informed of.

Which regardless of the moderator's postion on this is not an arguement at the man but one at your arguement. If I was truely angery I would have made a more pronounced statement directed at your specificially not your comment.

lack of being informed does not equate to anything else other then one is lacking information.

[CrossLOPER]

This is why Kerry's statement is wrong, he's calling a large portion of the bravest citizens uneducated idiots, ironically including himself.

Does that make sense to you?

[Kanamori]

This is why he lost. His statements were usually able to be taken out of context, and the GOP took advantage in the Presidential race.

I mean do you really believe that the people that are commonly labled as "liberal", including Kerry in this case, truly feel this way?

Of course, it's the most negative interpretation to make; he's 'liberal' and deserves contempt, not objectivity.

[Xiahou]

Of course, it's the most negative interpretation to make; he's 'liberal' and deserves contempt, not objectivity.

How else can you interpret it? His words were quite plain.

[Kanamori]

In the context of the speech, it is clear that the statement could have meaning other than the literally interpreted 'plain words' he used. Rather than seeking to clarify, the GOP lambasts it. Clearly, phrases do take meaning outside of what literal interpretations of word combination would make. Yes, it is possible that he did intend it not to be a reference to GWB, but there is nothing that shows that, minus the fact that he is a 'liberal'.

Politics, as played out, is absurdly negative.

[yesdachi]

This is why he lost. His statements were usually able to be taken out of context, and the GOP took advantage in the Presidential race.

They string up Bush with his bass ackward speak all the time. If you dish it out, expect to get a spoonful back once in a while.

[BigTex]

They string up Bush with his bass ackward speak all the time. If you dish it out, expect to get a spoonful back once in a while.

Spoken for the truth except it doesnt need anymore stretching to see its vileness.

education if you make the most of it, study hard and do your homework and make an effort to be smart you'll do well. If you don't you get stuck in iraq.

That and his previous comments about the soldiers in iraq are quite self explanatory as to why he lost.

I mean do you really believe that the people that are commonly labled as "liberal", including Kerry in this case, truly feel this way?

I'm not commenting as to wether anyother liberal agrees to that. All I am commenting on are his views and his comments, though it sure does seem like the people in that room liked his comments.