What is the deal? EB's direction...

**Proper Gander** · 11-01-2006, 10:10

i don't see why the EB team has to justify itself to cynic with too much time on his hands.

go'n find something else to waste your time on, other than pestering people over the internet about a game.

nobody's forcing you to expose yourself to the terrible torture that waiting for EB is. do something else with your time, play a different mod or play a whole different game if it pisses you off so badly.

**Barbarossa82** · 11-01-2006, 16:31

I appreciate there may be some history between Mr Fallen and the EB team, but, Khelvan's aside, these are some pretty immature responses. Is a four-letter obscenity considered acceptable forum behaviour when used by someone with an "EB member" sig?

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 11-01-2006, 16:54

Well, we're immature, directionless, and whatever else anyone wants to call us, just go ahead and keep adding to it. We're are a bunch of dudes trying to make a mod after all and we like to have a little fun sometimes. It's not like we're sending out the Ambassador to Switzerland or a Presidential Press Secretary to speak for us.

**oudysseos** · 11-01-2006, 17:42

Switzerland?

**oudysseos** · 11-01-2006, 17:47

I concur, merely as a spectator, that Fallen+whatever is a Prat. A Wanker. A Jerk. A Git. A Twat. An Asshole. I have been reading these forums for more than a year and remember previous efforts of his to tell the EB team how to do their thing. Fallen, if you're such a super-genius, make your own mod. The EB guys do not work for you, or for anybody, or indeed are not working at all. They are playing a game. If you don't like how they do it, then don't play. And don't be such a Jerk.

**khelvan** · 11-01-2006, 18:04

Ok, guys, enough with the insults, or I'll have to lock this. We don't allow this sort of attack, even if we don't like the guy. The same goes for using the QUOTE function. We have 0 tolerance for that, and I am afraid if you don't change your quote of him I will be deleting your post. You can't use the QUOTE function unless it is a direct quote of what he said. There are other ways to present your feeling of what happened.

Thanks!

**Tellos Athenaios** · 11-01-2006, 18:32

Originally Posted by fallen851

the position that would allow the mod to be done in the least amount of time. Done.[/B]

Whatever the arguments are you can put forward to make a point, there is one specific future about this particular mod that you've got to keep in mind: it's still a beta.

To all those who didn't quite catch the meaning of the 2 phrases above: this means that the release date for the next beta version doesn't matter 'a pair of dingo's kidneys', to paraphrase the words of a certain F. Prefect. (Fun thing though that Kull metioned a house getting knocked over, that's exactly what those words were about.) If there still is someone who hasn't yet realised this: it's not some beta version but EB 1.0 that matters, after all.

We therefore may indeed compare the modding to one particular stage of some bussiness concept, that, which you already got by reading the two words, of a concept. You, fallen851, are probably far more dyed through the wool than I am, especially since I'm still attending school, but let me say you this: how often has the process in which some business concept was turned into reality not been delayed by the unexpected? One infamous example of this is the Dutch government project of the 'Betuwelijn', a railway from the port of Rotterdam to Germany, dating as far back as the 80's and still not yet completed. I, for one, trust the EB team to take less time to complete their 1.0 build than that.

And may I add to this that we can't - while being both serious and fair about it - judge yet whether the release of 1.0 is actually delayed or not? Those side substractions, as you call them in different terms, may well have been a key part of the final 1.0 version. Haven't we repeatedly witnessed an EB member stating that all the placeholders would be gone by 1.0? Judging from what EB members actually stated recently, we may even conclude that this, soon (at least, I hope so), to be expected 0.8 build is more polished, nearer to the final 1.0 stage than was to be expected before. That means that whatever 'side' work has gone into 0.8 eventually would have gone into 1.0 anyway if it hadn't been included with 0.8.

So here we are then: your critisism, although probably not ill intentioned, and probably even meant to help the EB mod forward, is at least a bit rash. If you were simply concerned about why it takes so long to release the next version, you could simply have added a few lines in the release date thread, (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=71121), like this: 'Now I come to speak of it, do you guys have an actual release date in mind for 1.0? I'm curious about this since, at least to me, it seems as if the project is taking quite a while to get into it's final stage - and I'm eagerly awaiting 1.0.' Maybe you consider such lines to be a bit too nice, perhaps you would prefer something like this: 'Seeing that 0.8 took so long to develop, and I want to play 1.0 before I have bitten my fingers off for waiting so long, I'd like a hint on the 1.0 release date.' You could then copy Dayve's attitude of blaming Teleklos after such a post, and you may want to add a disclaimer: 'No offence meant, I'm just curious about that 1.0 release date'.

Call me an irritating ignorant little squirt, whatever you like... But to adress your words as mentioned on top of this post: maybe 1.0 would have been out far sooner, if the team doesn't have to adress such threads as this. Disclaimer: no offence meant...

Have a nice day,

**Barbarossa82** · 11-01-2006, 20:34

Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

Well, we're immature, directionless, and whatever else anyone wants to call us, just go ahead and keep adding to it. We're are a bunch of dudes trying to make a mod after all and we like to have a little fun sometimes. It's not like we're sending out the Ambassador to Switzerland or a Presidential Press Secretary to speak for us.

I wasn't associating myself with Fallen's comments or "adding to it", I just thought the responses were disappointing when all that really needed to be said was "you're wrong, the actual situation is...". If EB team members and supporters are going to swear, false-quote and make personal insults, then that's not very impressive.

Amongst what was said, Fallen's points were actually answered, and fully so. I can't see a reason for this to stay open.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 11-01-2006, 21:27

Originally Posted by Barbarossa82

If EB team members and supporters are going to ...false-quote

EB team members false quoted? Where?

edit: I don't see this at all. I can only see that you may be talking about Cheex's quote, but while we like him, he's not an EB team member (

).

**Proper Gander** · 11-01-2006, 22:27

admins; lock this thread

**Fenrhyl** · 11-01-2006, 22:46

I am amazed.

I am not a fan, i am just a guy who likes to waste romans after a day of work. I am also what some might called "well versed in ancient civilization" and i like to play EB. I think the work is not perfect (mostly because of the game engine limitations and of the way the units are recruited) but it actually taught me several things about ancient history and is enjoayble, even in a non-finished state.

If i wanted to have some things changed (like, let's say, religion) i'd just say it, ask for being a beta-tester and then make my way in a position where i could be usefull and discuss my views with other people (and i would surely NOT try to impose them.) I do not do it, i don't have time for that and even though i like the job done and would love to take part in it i just can't.

In no way i would act like fallenwhatevernumberitis does. I can't se any point in opening a thread on a subjet he does not know anything about just to throw a tantrum about something that is not his business.
Does it help hastening the process of releasing hte next version ? NO.
Does it call for new ideas or clever modification tricks ? NO.
Is it constructive ? NO.

I don't understand how someone could be so uncivil, impolite and vain. You are just sitting there, waiting for something and yell at the people who build it because you don't like their way of doing it.
You are, in fact, just a consumer and, as long as you don't pay for this mod (and you never will) your two only ways of action if you are not happy about it are 1) to suggest changes or 2) to shut up.

As far as i am concerned, i will just despise you until you apologize to the EB Team.

TO Kelvan : could you please give the next version number 0.1337 . Your mod is so leet !