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    Toh-GAH-koo-reh Member Togakure's Avatar
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    Default Re: Who's your favorite minor power?

    The Sicilians.

    I take Naples, then build up a basic infrastructure, army, and a few ships for a short while. When the first pope is in his mid-fifties, I take Rome, then quickly, Tuscany and Venice, isolating him in the Papal States. If there's a castle there for him to retreat to, and he's got a significant number of troops left, I'll attack him and reduce him to near nothing, then retreat. I never eliminate him, but leave him weak and surrounded, like a Japanese emperor. The pope soon dies, lifting my excommunication.

    I finish off the Italians on the mainland in Genoa and Milan too, hopefully before the Pope dies, leaving them poor and isolated on Corsica and Sardinia. If they start building an infrastructure for ships on these islands, I invade, cripple, and isolate them on one island, as I've done with the pope.

    If the opportunity presents itself, I ally with the Hungarians and HRE. I avoid alliances that do not provide immediate benefit, and do not ally with the Byzantines because of our religious differences.

    The only significant complication with this strategy is the initial Italian fleet. I have to build enough ships, and be somewhat lucky when I launch my attack against them. If I lose my ships, it slows things down considerably.

    Rome has a very nice infrastructure (castle) from the get go. This speeds up the development of advanced units, particularly knights. With Venice and Sicily, I have the basis for excellent trade, complimented by Naples, Tuscany, and Genoa. With some luck, Italian sea power has been eliminated, and its infrastructures assimilated. The pope will never be a significant threat again, though I do have to maintain small, functional garrisons in Naples, Rome, and Tuscany in addition to my main defensive armies in Venice, Milan, and Genoa. +1 valor Genoese sailors and +1 valor Urban Militia (Tuscany) are cheap to train and maintain, and are useful to a degree in the Early Period (UM as garrison troops after the first few decades).

    After unifying the Italian peninsula, excepting the Papal States, I send ships--and then fast crusades via these ships--to the Holy Lands, with Antioch being my first conquest (Glorious Achievement). My crusades originate from Malta, which produces +1 valor Knights Hospitaller. My influence increases with each crusader conquest, and my heirs' characteristics improve dramatically. Soon the Pope is more than happy to ally with me, despite my initial aggression.

    As the game progresses, I secure the Middle East and Africa, crusading like crazy. Then I turn my attention to Spain, and move up into western Europe from the Iberian peninsula. I work my way East from there, and if things go well, secure total victory before the Mongol Invasion. I delay my attack against the Byzantines for as long as possible, as they are usually my primary trading partners. When I do take them on, I need to have enough territorial income and banked savings to cover the loss in trade income.

    I balance conquest with the expansion of trade, the development of my infrastructure, and sea power. I never worry about excommunication, just making sure that I have the garrisons and governors in place to maintain order, and timing invasions against Catholic factions with the likely demise of the current pope. I can always kill him, in battle or by assassination, if he becomes a hindrance.

    This strategy works well consistently--a methodical fast track to power, influence, and eventually, domination.
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    I agree with Martok with the Norwegians in XL. Not only it is relatively easy to destroy the Swedes before they develop, but every time I attack Sweden from Norway, the Swedes simply pack up and leave, abandoning the province and retreating to nowehere. I actually find the game tougher when playing with Sweden, than when playing with Norway.

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    I too found Norway easy. Fun, though.

    My favorite small faction (XL) is probably Serbia, though I do enjoy Scotland. I've not tried the Bohemians, though I think I may give them a go here whilst I wait for Neverwinter Nights 2 and M2TW. In vanilla, my favorite is the Russians (though they really aren't small since there are so many rebel territories around).

    I should try MedMod...
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    Default Re: Who's your favorite minor power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    abandoning the province and retreating to nowehere.
    While this doesn't happen very often to me, it's annoying indeed. It seems to happen regularily if you attack the Portugese as the Almohads.

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    Masamune, welcome to the Org. You're obviously not a newcomer to MTW, though, so perhaps my greeting may feel redundant to you(?). Either way, we're glad to have you here!

    Yes, the Sicilians are in excellent position from which to expand, although I myself tend not to go with the "conquer everything" approach with them. I prefer to take a couple provinces along the Med (the Hungarians and/or Serbians are good targets), maybe send a few Crusades to the Holy Land and/or Egypt, and then establish a maritime trading empire that has no rival.

    My only problem is, I hate the Sicilians so much when I'm another faction--as I'm sure you know, they're total bastards when controlled by the AI--that playing them feels a little like I've gone turncoat and betrayed all the other factions I've played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kavhan Isbul
    abandoning the province and retreating to nowehere.
    While this doesn't happen very often to me, it's annoying indeed. It seems to happen regularily if you attack the Portugese as the Almohads.
    It happens more often in the XL mod, period--for some reason, the AI has a greater tendency to refuse to fight, even when defending its last province. I'm not sure why that is, although I can only guess that it's related to VikingHorde having changed some of the factions' AI behaviors.

    Fortunately, that's the only complaint I really have with his mod (and it's a minor one, at that). Besides, it's not as if he could've rewritten the AI in any case--though if wishing made it so....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul
    I agree with Martok with the Norwegians in XL. Not only it is relatively easy to destroy the Swedes before they develop, but every time I attack Sweden from Norway, the Swedes simply pack up and leave, abandoning the province and retreating to nowehere. I actually find the game tougher when playing with Sweden, than when playing with Norway.
    It seems to happen every time if you attack them on the first turn. I was expecting a good hard fight but they just pack up and run

    Not tried a Sicily campaign yet, which is the best game to play them on? Ive got XL, BKB and MedMod installed but if theyre best in vanilla i'll put another copy on

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    Ive always felt the Sicilians shouldnt go and conquer everything. I think they are suited (and its more realistic I feel) that they conquer bits of territory here and there. Like Serbia, Crete, Sardinia and Corsica, maybe Greece and some territory in the Levant.

    Everytime i've played them i've done this approach, its far more enjoyable than simply conquering everything, it's also something Sicily is suited to IMO. I absorb the islands of Corsica and Sardinia to safeguard the west, perhaps Tunisia to secure the south, Balkan teritory and crusades to the holyland for the east.

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    Default Re: Who's your favorite minor power?

    VI - Scillians, Aragon, Sort of danes, but i don't really count them as a minor faction - its comparatively easy expansion compared to others.

    XL - Volga Bulgars are great fun, i really enjoyed playing as the crusaders recently in high, and also the scots and irish are both difficult and fun.


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    I'd agree that as minor factions go, Sicily is good fun because the pots of florins that keep piling up all around you leave you with plenty of options as to how to proceed. There is always the danger that somewhere in the latter throes of the game you will abruptly run out of heirs, though....

    Denmark is also fun (and probably significantly more challenging than Sicily).

    I haven't tried any of the mods as yet - too busy just with VI at this stage.

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    My Favorite minor factions are Ireland; besides Wales there are no easy early pickings and due to the bad economy you have to go to war fast, they have an interresting rooster of units, and if you are a fan of throwing pointy things at armoured knights, this is the faction to go, Even on normal they are still a very dificult faction to get anywhere with them.

    Then there is Bulgaria, This faction is always a challenge, from the east, the Byzanties, beat them and you will have to deal with the Seljuks / Egyptians, so expanding beyond Constantinoples is not an easy task. On the other end are the Cumans, and the Hungarians. I almost always find myself fighting on two fronts when playing the Bulgarians, no matter what strategy I adopt.

    Last by not Least, is the papacy, small, lousy positioning, but the lordship tittles from the 2 provinces are interesting and make up for the disadvantages.

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