Kerry part 2

[Goofball]

On the other hand, his explanation that he really meant to imply that Bush is an idiot for getting the country stuck in Iraq seems very believable, and Republicans (and some people in the Backroom as well) are now acting like jackasses by ignoring that and continuing to swear up and down that Kerry meant to call the troops stupid.

You can name say that we're acting like jackasses all you want, it does not take away what the man said this time, or the countless other times he has disparaged the troops. You act as though we ARE stupid for comprehending what the man said. Who's the real jackass?

Point proven (as you have been so fond of saying with respect to this discussion).

Kerry said something that gave the impression that he was calling U.S. soldiers stupid. He then retracted his statements and said what he really meant was that Bush was stupid.

Now, everybody has two logical choices:

1) They can either believe his explanation and say, "Okay, we believe that you just misspoke, but still think you're an idiot." (This is the camp that I fall into.)

or

2) They can say "Whatever. We don't believe your explanation. You are an elitest liar." (This is the camp that some conservative posters fall into, and while I disagree with them, I respect their point of view and can't really argue against it. Because believing Kerry's explanation is nothing more than a subjective judgement call, and mine is no better than theirs.)

Either one of the above arguments makes sense.

On the other hand, we have just about the entire Republican party (and some posters in the Backroom) who just keep repeating over and over again "Yeah, but, we heard him! Kerry said the troops are stupid!"

That is the grade three argument.

Quite frankly, people using that argument should be careful or they may find themselves in Iraq...

[BigTex]

I had heard earlier today that he had apologized, originally I hoped this would just settle down now. Since an apology should end the argument about what he said. But it seems like he's still trying to justify what he said. Not only justifying what he said but crying fowl about Bush using a low blow. Well here's the problem, Kerry decided to first make a joke and a low blow about Bush, he majorly screwed it up. Nuff said if you screw up a low blow expect that you'll have hell to pay. Irrelavent of what he meant, what he said was the US army is full of idiots.

Hopefully this will end this skums political aspirations. It might be a GOP's wet dream but without 2 good canidates or more then its bad for the country.

[Xiahou]

Did he actually come out and apologize or is this still in reference to the blurb someone put on his website?

[BigTex]

Did he actually come out and apologize or is this still in reference to the blurb someone put on his website?

He came out and apologized "to anyone who took offense to the joke". Not exactly a very good apology but what do you expect to extract from a vile and repulsive narcissist such as him?

[Tribesman]

Originally Posted by Tribesman


Indeed Tex , any luck with finding a source that quotes what you claimed was said ?
It shouldn't be that difficult should it , you are after all quite sure of what he said .....

he said was the US army is full of idiots.

Sooooooooo .......can I expect you to post anything to back that up ?

[Don Corleone]

Oh grow up Tribesman. We all know how the joke reads at surface level and now we all know what the speechwriter meant for him to say. Not to mention, as the reigning king of refusal to provide links, you've got some nerve demanding them from anyone.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Indeed Tex , any luck with finding a source that quotes what you claimed was said ?
It shouldn't be that difficult should it , you are after all quite sure of what he said .....

Sooooooooo .......can I expect you to post anything to back that up ?

That is exactly what he said July 28 of this year. Or are you just being ignorant again? Sheesh, can't you do a little background research?

CR
Seriously, tribesy, you're being obtuse (most probable) or have a severe lack of comprehension of how language and communication works.

[Tribesman]

Wow , just wow .
Looky looky ......

On the other hand, we have just about the entire Republican party (and some posters in the Backroom) who just keep repeating over and over again "Yeah, but, we heard him! Kerry said the troops are stupid!"

That is the grade three argument.

..........and in the next post lo and behold .........

Irrelavent of what he meant, what he said was the US army is full of idiots.

Undoubtably you can find a source where he said that Tex Though it might be a bit hard as he never said anything about the US army or idiots in his speech .