Kerry part 2

[Lemur]

Personal favorite: "To maintain control of Congress, Republicans must exhume and re-animate the bloated political corpse of John Kerry, so that they can kill him again."

[Gawain of Orkeny]

"To maintain control of Congress, Republicans must exhume and re-animate the bloated political corpse of John Kerry, so that they can kill him again."

Duh. He did it himself. He opened his dumb mouth. He and Gore are the gifts that just keep on giving. To think thatv these two were the last two democratic candidates for president is really scary. Notice that the democrats have hidden away Pelosi and and Dean so that they wont cause further trouble until after the election.

[Brenus]

“Yes, what a bunch of warmongers we were, not wanting nuclear warheads parked 30 miles off our coast.” And the fact you had nuclear war head at 5 km from their borders never occurred to you? (Turkey)

“Yet all of three of these nations, and others, feel free to dictate terms to the United States on what we can and cannot do to defend ourselves. Your gratitude is underwhelming.” Why China and Russia should be grateful, for what exactly?

France should be grateful and is, however, it doesn’t give the right to US to ask France to follow blindly in an adventure every body knew it was smelling fish: because actually it was more the US who “feel free to dictate terms” than the others. Who told “our intelligence said”, “we know that”, “link with Al-Quaida”, “believe us” and all the other deliberate lies? I don’t believe the CIA is just an incompetent bunch of people, nor the MI5, or 6.
So France should have follow, sending her soldiers to die because Bush and Blair decide to lie? You ask a lot on the name of gratefulness, are you?

Now about Kerry, I still don’t understand how the Americans can see a guy who never fought as a war hero and the guy who actually earn a Medal of Honour as almost a traitor…
And if you want statistics, just go on ratio of Orange Agent, Napalm and tons of Iron flooded on Vietnam and you will understand why perhaps some comparisons were done…

[Kralizec]

“Yes, what a bunch of warmongers we were, not wanting nuclear warheads parked 30 miles off our coast.” And the fact you had nuclear war head at 5 km from their borders never occurred to you? (Turkey)

How would that have comforted any American living then? And the American public didn't know about the missiles in Turkey at that point)
Kruschev's backing off at the end of the missile crises was thus interpreted as a factual US victory, the truth was that as an exchange the missiles in Turkey were dismantled and/or moved.

Kenedy did a good job handling the crisis. Mcnamera wanted to bomb Cuba back to the stone age till Kenedy dissuaded him. A I remember from a documentary that years later a Russian general told Mcnamera that the USSR had operating missiles at that point and would have retaliated. According to the documentary Mcnameras face went entirely pale

[Redleg]

How would that have comforted any American living then? And the American public didn't know about the missiles in Turkey at that point)
Kruschev's backing off at the end of the missile crises was thus interpreted as a factual US victory, the truth was that as an exchange the missiles in Turkey were dismantled and/or moved.

Only some - there was still a nuclear weapons storage site maintained in Turkey until all battlefield nuclear weapons were removed from the inventory after the fall of the Soviet Union. In fact in the 1970's the Turks wanted access to the weapons and a potential crisis developed between the United States and Turkey over the issue.

Kenedy did a good job handling the crisis. Mcnamera wanted to bomb Cuba back to the stone age till Kenedy dissuaded him. A I remember from a documentary that years later a Russian general told Mcnamera that the USSR had operating missiles at that point and would have retaliated. According to the documentary Mcnameras face went entirely pale

The Cuban Missle Crisis and the Speech at the Berlin Wall are the two main history lessons of the Kennedy Adminstration

[Seamus Fermanagh]

“Yes, what a bunch of warmongers we were, not wanting nuclear warheads parked 30 miles off our coast.” And the fact you had nuclear war head at 5 km from their borders never occurred to you? (Turkey)

Cuba and Florida are roughly 90 miles apart.

I sincerely doubt we'd have stationed missile less than 5 klicks from the Soviet border -- too close and too tempting for a commando raid/surprise attack.

Yes, we did have missiles in Turkey at the time of the Cuban Crisis. Yes they were withdrawn shortly afterwards. Yes some have made the argument that this was a "de facto" arrangement between the governments, though no concrete proof has surfaced. It is known that the missiles did annoy the Soviets.

[Brenus]

“I sincerely doubt we'd have stationed missile less than 5 klicks from the Soviet border”: It was a figure of speech. I could have spoke about USSR feeling to be surrounded by potential enemies. In their point of view, to put nuclear warheads in Cuba was jut the answer of the Sheppard to the Wolf.

[Xiahou]

Kerry "botches" another joke.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

“I sincerely doubt we'd have stationed missile less than 5 klicks from the Soviet border”: It was a figure of speech. I could have spoke about USSR feeling to be surrounded by potential enemies. In their point of view, to put nuclear warheads in Cuba was jut the answer of the Sheppard to the Wolf.

I agree. There were definitely a good few in the politburo who thought that arming Cuba would be no more than a "quid pro quo" to counter the Jupiters we already had deployed in Turkey.

The scary part was how close we came to a nuke war in that incident. Soviet sources and interviews after the breakup in 89-91 confirmed that the local Soviet commander had a couple of tac nukes, knew himself to be outclassed, and would have used them on the US invasion fleet if we had tried the other approach, which was an airstrike followed by a landing.

While the USA would have won the resulting strategic exchange -- our missile were more reliable than theirs as well as equal in numbers at that point, and our bomber fleet would have penetrated reasonably well -- the casualties in such a war would have been ghastly.