Swedish Pre-order "Mistake"

[Ferret]

Talk about hype.. (How much they advertised the "dismounting" feature)

I totally agree!

[edyzmedieval]

Talk about hype.. (How much they advertised the "dismounting" feature)

Exactly. Another marketing error...

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

CA said they make their game conform to popular conception rather than historical actuality.

of course m8, they want to make money, so they will tend towards the populaar conception and let the modders deal with the historical acutsalliy.

[Incongruous]

I am certain that they said one could dismount knights.
Oh the disgrace!

[Censor]

I don't think people would just drop it and leave it if it was historically accurate. Most people who have common conceptions are easily swayed anyways, I bet they'll stay with the only game on the market that combines RTS with TBS strategy into one glorified, glinty, glowy package.

[Bagpuss]

I have just seen the 1st pirate copy of MTW2 at a warez site last night , I wont post the name of the site , went there this morning an the sites been taken down ,lol

[Kralizec]

I suppose that means that units such as "dismounted boyars" and "dismounted Gothic knights" we've seen so far, were in fact just trainable infantry types.

I've been mislead into the belief that the "dismount" function was back. Suddenly I get the feeling I get when I'm ripped off, without myself having actually bought the game yet.



If I get some good reviews from actual players (such as on this site), I might still buy MTW2 but only if the price drops to something more reasonable, like 20 euro.

[Maizel]

I'm bummed about apparently not being able to dismount my knights.

Buyt that's not a big enough reason for me to drop the game altogether

[Phalaxar]

"I doubt the majority of people who play the game think dismounted knights fight better than mounted knights. "

It might not be obvious to people in field battles but nonetheless it should be intuitive to anyone that in, for example, a siege situation, dismounted knights may be more useful because horses cannot ride up to the battlements. In any case it is not that CA has chosen not to include small units of heavily armoured foot soldiers and such. Rather it has simply chosen not to bother including under the rubric of an ability to dismount cavalry before a battle. That is not a result of a decision to promote a particular type of gameplay to conform to popular concepts. That is a result of a decision not to bother doing something properly.

Meh, it's easy for you to dissect their ideas from the outside and arrive at the conclusion that they're stupid.
Give them some credit. They're not a bunch of lazy retards who are trying to screw over history so that X-Box gamers will pick up the game.
They're clearly just trying to make the game as fun as possible (to sell more) and make some money.

It's not that they just "didn't bother" like they thought, hey, you know what, we could check the little box that says "let knights dismount" or, you know, we could eat some crisps.
Letting knights demount would have been a lot more work (to code, to make the models and skins, animations and the like) for them for very little benefit (they reckon), and I think that's fair enough.

On these boards, it's easy to get carried away and think that everyone, or everyone that matters, is a bit of a history buff. In real life, the vast majority of players aren't. It makes good sense for CA to make the game for their biggest demographic. Get over it. CA were never different.

Finally, I think people are just generally being too down on MTW II before it's even out. You won't like it if you pick it up, pop it in and say, "omsg wtf the install screens were better on MTW." Give it its chance.

[Kralizec]

Letting knights demount would have been a lot more work (to code, to make the models and skins, animations and the like) for them for very little benefit (they reckon), and I think that's fair enough.

There will be dismounted boyars and various other dismounted [insert cavalry], but you can only get them by training.

Buyt that's not a big enough reason for me to drop the game altogether

There's been various other stuff that bothers me as well. I just don't like being misled. It's obvious that CA raised a smoke screen of confusion to make buyers believe that mount/dismount was back.

[Phalaxar]

There will be dismounted boyars and various other dismounted [insert cavalry], but you can only get them by training.



There's been various other stuff that bothers me as well. I just don't like being misled. It's obvious that CA raised a smoke screen of confusion to make buyers believe that mount/dismount was back.

I thought they were seperate units?

That's not obvious at all. Things make sense even if there's no Evil Empire of Profit-tasting Doom with CA as a greasy eminence.

[Prince of the Poodles]

There will be dismounted boyars and various other dismounted [insert cavalry], but you can only get them by training.



There's been various other stuff that bothers me as well. I just don't like being misled. It's obvious that CA raised a smoke screen of confusion to make buyers believe that mount/dismount was back.

Oh my god, who actually buys the game based on the stupid mount/dismount function?! Some people are acting like this is a horrible, despicable act committed by CA.

It was probably just confusion because a lot of the knights and horse infantry can be trained as either.

I didnt even use it in MTW...

[IPoseTheQuestionYouReturnTheAnswer]

I didnt even use it in MTW...

Yeah, me neither. The dismounted units were too small to be that effective, and the lances were better anyway.

[Puzz3D]

I've been mislead into the belief that the "dismount" function was back. Suddenly I get the feeling I get when I'm ripped off, without myself having actually bought the game yet.

That's exactly the ripped-off feeling that everyone I know has who bought RTW.

[Ferret]

That's exactly the ripped-off feeling that everyone I know has who bought RTW.

Why does everyone hate Rome???
I liked it thanks to the great campaign map and really liked the chosen time period. LEAVE ROME ALONE!

(Hey that rhymes, lol)

[Kralizec]

Eh, no it doesn't.


Almost everybody who complains about Rome (and now, about MTW2) were in fact great fans of MTW and/or STW.
A lot of great features (of wich dismount was only a minor one) were abandoned for no apparant real reason, with the excuse "that it would just confuse non-hardcore players"
The fact that dismounting is out is only the last drop. I'd still buy MTW2 without hesitation if I knew for a fact that the faction limit is up to over 26, if the developers made an effort to emulate the great civil wars of MTW original, if CA made a credible pledge to support the modding community, et cetera. But the cold hard truth is that likely we'll have none of that.

@ Poodle: CA isn't evil, not sure where I gave you the idea that I thought so. They're no better or worse then the average company trying to make a profit. If you love CA's work so much, good for you. Spend your own money as you see fit.

edit: spelling

[Freedom Onanist]

That's exactly the ripped-off feeling that everyone I know has who bought RTW.

3 options:

1. Puzz3d, Kralizec, if it really bugs you that much - don't buy it.
   
2. Get enough people to agree with you and the numbers should impress CA enough to take you seriously - shouldn't be that difficult if everyone you know felt cheated. Strange how word of mouth didn't spread to stop RTW becoming a best seller though isn't it? Ah, what fools we all were to fall for the hype eh?
   
3. The other option is wait for a mod. Again, this won't take long since CA have engaged with the modding community - nasty deceivers that they are.

[Dr_Who_Regen#4]

I am sure there are "features" that have been removed in place of a different "feature" CA thought was valuable...or just removed because they did not want to spend $5000 or whatever to build something if it does not change their sales numbers....

My job is related to managing software development (not games or products for end consumers) and there are always choices to be made. You have a budget of so much and you have to prioritize things. I can tell you that my users are not always happy (Hopefully they are happy more times then not or I will need a new job). This is just how things are as end users (us for M2TW) are not part of every decision because they do not see the big picture.

I would love CA to add in a lot of features that used to be there or that are great ideas from people here, but they have made a financial decision on their part that they hopes gets them the most profits. We can all make our own decision of either buying the game now, waiting for reviews/mods, waiting for the price to drop, or decide not to buy it ever...

I for one find this series as the only reasonable Strategy game out there (maybe I have not looked hard enough). Although I do find that RTW was at best poor on challenge it is still the only game (along with MTW) I have found with a feel that I like....of course others can choose not to like it...

Anyways about a week to go and I am hoping for my early chicago release....Maybe EB Games gets confused like the company in sweeden and gives me my copy early...

[Prince of the Poodles]

@ Poodle: CA isn't evil, not sure where I gave you the idea that I thought so. They're no better or worse then the average company trying to make a profit. If you love CA's work so much, good for you. Spend your own money as you see fit.

Sorry for the rant against your post.

It just seemed that - out of all that Maeg88 said in the thread - people were picking up on a function that was not that important and making it into a big deal.

However, i can see where people would definately be angry about being mislead.