Another Right-Wing Gay Prostitution Scandal

[Don Corleone]

The council of elders at his church have launched an investegation. Apparently, Pastor Ted has allowed that some of the allegations are true, though not the main one that he repeatedly paid a prostitute for gay sex. This means either Pastor Ted:

-Paid a prostitute for straight sex
or
-Had consenusal gay sex.

Either way, he's toast.

I feel really bad for this guy's wife. It's always the wife that ends up suffering in these public sex scandals.

[Scurvy]

whats terrible is that if he was honest about it from the start...no problem (apart from he might never of had a wife - but she suffers most from this anyway)

[Ronin]

I always have found that alot of the people that take extreme conservative positions when it comes to sex and "morality" are hiding something and overcompensating for it....

well....something for the psychiatrists to ponder...

is there a Sigmund Freud in the house???

[Crazed Rabbit]

A polygraph says his accuser is a liar:

Haggard's accuser fails lie detector
By Mike McPhee
Denver Post Staff Writer
Ted Haggard's accuser failed a polygraph test early this morning about the truthfulness of his accusations that he had had a three-year homosexual affair with the influential Colorado Springs minister.

The test was given to Michael Jones, 49, an admitted male prostitute, who made the allegations on the Peter Boyles Show on radio station KHOW Thursday morning.

The shocking allegations were denied by Haggard, who told KUSA-9News he never took part in a homosexual affair and had always been faithful to his wife, with whom he has 5 children.

So Boyles invited Jones to take a polygraph test at 5 a.m. this morning.

The test administrator, John Kresnik, said Jones' score indicated "deceptions" in his answers. However, Kresnik said he doubted the accuracy of the test he administered because of the recent stress on Jones and his inability to eat or sleep, according to KHOW producer Greg Hollenback.

Kresnik suggested that Jones be re-tested early next week after he was rested.

Seems somewhat likely its just some filthy liar trying to smear a guy because of his prominence and gay marriage opposition.

CR

[Lemur]

A polygraph says his accuser is a liar:

Well this is interesting! I can understand why a nobody would accuse a prominent man, certainly. But if that's the case, why did Haggard resign? Normally people who are being unfairly accused stick it out. I expect there's going to be more emerging, and I haven't got a notion what the upshot will be ...

[Ser Clegane]

Perhaps this part of the article should be emphasized:

However, Kresnik said he doubted the accuracy of the test he administered because of the recent stress on Jones and his inability to eat or sleep

It's always a bit disgusting though how things like this always come up shortly before elections - go figure...

[Don Corleone]

Well this is interesting! I can understand why a nobody would accuse a prominent man, certainly. But if that's the case, why did Haggard resign? Normally people who are being unfairly accused stick it out. I expect there's going to be more emerging, and I haven't got a notion what the upshot will be ...

You know, I always hate this argument, from any side, yours or ours. If the guy resigns, everyone jumps up and says "see, he was guilty". If he doesn't, the rhetoric becomes "See, he's circling the wagons. He should resign and let the congregation/congress/whatever get back to normal until the investegation is over". It's a no-win argument.

The pastor said he was stepping down until the investegation is concluded. That's far from resigning his position in disgrace, Lemur, but 2 points for trying to milk it.

That being said, be really careful there, CR. The minister who stepped up for Ted Haggard has already said that the Haggard admitted some of the allegations were true, but wouldn't specify which ones.

[Don Corleone]

The sad fact is, we shouldn't need constitutional marriage ammendments. If the courts would quit arbitrarily dictating to the rest of the country, the elected body politic included, we wouldn't have to have such divisive ballot measures.

[Lemur]

You know, I always hate this argument, from any side, yours or ours. If the guy resigns, everyone jumps up and says "see, he was guilty". If he doesn't, the rhetoric becomes "See, he's circling the wagons. He should resign and let the congregation/congress/whatever get back to normal until the investegation is over". It's a no-win argument.

The pastor said he was stepping down until the investigation is concluded. That's far from resigning his position in disgrace, Lemur, but 2 points for trying to milk it.

If I'm going to be a good Wisconsinite, I have to know how to milk. That should be obvious.

Hey Don, if I were writing for the general public, or if I were engaged in this issue in any substantial way, I would be much more circumspect in how I addressed the particulars. But in situation after situation this year we've had people resigning, signing into rehab, or needing to spend more time with their families, and the vast majority of them have been found guilty. Some are now in jail.

I understand how the resigning issue feels like dirty pool to you, but it's hard not to take it into account when the "he said/he said" starts up.

Honestly, I feel bad for Haggard and his family. My best guess is that he was deep in the closet, and engaging in risky, self-destructive behavior, which is far from uncommon when people are in denial. And there's something tragic about a closeted gay man who makes anti-homosexual rhetoric a centerpiece of his career. Think Roy Cohn.

The closet = bad.

[Don Corleone]

So your point Scurvy is that the minister is a liar because he's a homosexual but doesn't support gay marriage?

Does the homosexual community support gay marriage 100%? Serious question... I went to Pew, Zogby and a few others, didn't see the question broken out by 'openly gay'.

[Fragony]

Does the homosexual community support gay marriage 100%? Serious question... I went to Pew, Zogby and a few others, didn't see the question broken out by 'openly gay'.

A good friend of mine is gay, seems to run in the family somehow, he for one does not. You should hear him about gay parades and that girly fag behaviour, he hates it with a passion.

[Prince of the Poodles]

Does the homosexual community support gay marriage 100%? Serious question... I went to Pew, Zogby and a few others, didn't see the question broken out by 'openly gay'.

No. Definitely not.

A lot of us realize that our situation is not the norm.

I, for one, would be perfectly content with slight alterations of the laws already on the books that recognize that 2 people, regardless of gender, can be committed to eachother in the eyes of the state.

These alterations include things such as some tax laws, benefits, medical and hospital issues, and some other things.

"Gay marriage or nothing" is being pushed by a faction in the gay community that is NOT representative of all of us. The gay pride!!!, GLAAD type people are usually loud and proud - and also obnoxious.



As for this guy. He is the most disgusting type of human being. Not only will this crush his wife and kids, but he obviously does know how it is for gay people and still chose to hurt them to further his own career.

Because of him, nobody in this issue comes out looking good.. gays or evangicals.

[Lemur]

I, for one, would be perfectly content with slight alterations of the laws already on the books that recognize that 2 people, regardless of gender, can be committed to eachother in the eyes of the state.

These alterations include things such as some tax laws, benefits, medical and hospital issues, and some other things.

This is exactly what I've heard from every gay person I know. There's no indication of a deeper agenda, although without a doubt some fringe types will be demanding all sorts of odd things.

The refrain I've read and heard from gay people is that they would just like to enjoy some of the basic partner privileges that affect their finances, health care and personal legal rights. Nothing too crazy, and certainly nothing about some scheme to bring down every church that doesn't fly a rainbow flag.

Again, without some evidence of this grand conspiracy, I'm going to have to file it with the Flat Earthers and the Eloi/Morlock theory.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Essentially, "civil union" as being described is what is called marriage now right? As in legal marriage?

I don't see the difference in being for gay marriage or being for civil union beyond the name.