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    Default Re: Spanish Judge Rules Personal File Sharing Legal

    So does buying them.
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    Default Re: Spanish Judge Rules Personal File Sharing Legal

    CR, just out of curiosity, do you support the RIAA's lawsuits? If so, could you explain your position a little?

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    I think WalMart has a new shoplifting rule that if you steal something worth less than $25 and get caught they will not press charges. One could intemperate that to mean that someone could steal almost any CD and not get in trouble even if caught, maybe the record companies should follow suit, given that WalMart sells more CD’s than any individual label.
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    Default Re: Spanish Judge Rules Personal File Sharing Legal

    So does buying them.
    Sigh, except - DUH - stealing is illegal.

    I don't think the lawsuits are the best approach, but I think downloading copyrighted material without paying for it is stealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    Sigh, except - DUH - stealing is illegal.

    I don't think the lawsuits are the best approach, but I think downloading copyrighted material without paying for it is stealing.

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    I don´t think ridiculously over-pricing the goods they sell is correct either...

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    Default Re: Spanish Judge Rules Personal File Sharing Legal

    they have every right to overprice them, they have to make a profit, and as a business organisation their job is to make the largest profit possible, if consumers were not willing to buy cd's at these prices, then the company would have to lower them (and to an extent this is happening)

    that is no way to justify stealing - just because your being ripped off doesnt justify taking it for free

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    I don't know, I'm more conflicted on this issue than I should be. On the one hand, stealing is wrong. Artists who don't get paid won't make more art, and that would be a Bad Thing.

    On the other hand, the music industry is probably more corrupt than the boxing industry, and that's saying something. I don't know a single musician who has anything nice to say about the labels or the RIAA. The labels have a decades-long history of ripping off the artists, so anything that starts to take the labels out of the equation can't be wholly bad.

    But wholesale theft can't really be the answer. Like I said, I'm conflicted. I know the lawsuits are wrong. And I know that the downloading is wrong. And I love music and musicians. So I would love to see what Tony Blair would call a "third way."

    There's plenty of wrong to go around, I guess.

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    Default Re: Spanish Judge Rules Personal File Sharing Legal

    Quote Originally Posted by Scurvy
    they have every right to overprice them, they have to make a profit, and as a business organisation their job is to make the largest profit possible, if consumers were not willing to buy cd's at these prices, then the company would have to lower them (and to an extent this is happening)

    that is no way to justify stealing - just because your being ripped off doesnt justify taking it for free
    Isn't it in the consumers interest to make sure that they get the best deal possible? So if the buisness is ripping you off and you stumbles on a virtual gold mine... It's not like people will have severe moral problems ripping off companies that overcharges them.

    And it's not stealing, it's breaching of copywright laws. Why is it important to seperate them? Because had it been stealing (with that counting that someone is losing something in the process), it wouldn't been a successful phenomena.

    IMO, the sueings is more or less the death-spasms (for those who doesn't adapt) for the giants in the music industry who are unwilling to lose thier gold-mine in a changing industry. As file-sharing is here to stay, for better or worse.
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