Affirmative Action

[whyidie]

I found myself nodding my head "yes". But:

such accounting and recognition must start from a position of equal opportunity for all participants in such a society. We have not yet achieved that position, or at least we have not held that wider door of opportunity open long enough so that those previously discriminated against, who want to avail themselves of this temporary preference, may.

Very nice.

[rory_20_uk]

So, you're going to the doctor who is going to do bypass surgery on you. Would you go for the doctor who regardless of age, gender, race, sexual orientation is good, or are you happy to go to the other one, who has been having the AA leg up since 16; grades notably lower but gets in anyway.

And if you take the "oh, Medicine is different" then do you want the lawyer who isn't as good, or the plumber, or whatever who is where they are not on ability but merely as they're keeping the numbers up?

Or is it that as an idea it's fine - but with the caveat that you'll never be on the receiving end of their potentially substandard services.

[Scurvy]

So, you're going to the doctor who is going to do bypass surgery on you. Would you go for the doctor who regardless of age, gender, race, sexual orientation is good, or are you happy to go to the other one, who has been having the AA leg up since 16; grades notably lower but gets in anyway.

But without it the opposite might occur, the good doctor is infact bad, but got the job over the better doctor who would have got a leg up from the AA, and who without it would not have been employed because of the employers discrimination etc. - its difficult

[Spino]

But without it the opposite might occur, the good doctor is infact bad, but got the job over the better doctor who would have got a leg up from the AA, and who without it would not have been employed because of the employers discrimination etc. - its difficult

Yes but the fact that non-white ethnic groups like Chinese, Koreans and Indians are doing so well in the States should tell you that race based discrimination has been severely curtailed to the point where it is the exception and not the rule. When the best and brightest the US has to offer are overwhelmingly 'off-white' in character it's safe to say that the glass ceiling has been effectively shattered.

[whyidie]

So, you're going to the doctor who is going to do bypass surgery on you. Would you go for the doctor who regardless of age, gender, race, sexual orientation is good, or are you happy to go to the other one, who has been having the AA leg up since 16; grades notably lower but gets in anyway.

And if you take the "oh, Medicine is different" then do you want the lawyer who isn't as good, or the plumber, or whatever who is where they are not on ability but merely as they're keeping the numbers up?

Or is it that as an idea it's fine - but with the caveat that you'll never be on the receiving end of their potentially substandard services.

1) Do those who benefit from AA have substantially lower grades prior to admission ?
2) Do those who benefit from AA have substantially lower grades post admission ?