Gun Control

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Many Gawain, We can name many that are banned, or was banned anyhow..

[Crazed Rabbit]

Really? You know he was talking of the era right after the Revolutionary War?

So machine gun for self defence is not only unpractical becouse its heavier then normal rifle,shotgun or pistol, but also unpractical and dangerous, becouse its ment to be platoon,squadron or team support weapon not a self defence weapon.

And what if you've got an angry mob headed towards your house, in the middle of widespread riots?

Crazed Rabbit

[Aenlic]

Really? You know he was talking of the era right after the Revolutionary War?



And what if you've got an angry mob headed towards your house, in the middle of widespread riots?

Crazed Rabbit

That's what the claymore mines, razor wire, bunker and chain gun are for!

(sorry couldn't resist!) wink:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Really? You know he was talking of the era right after the Revolutionary War?



And what if you've got an angry mob headed towards your house, in the middle of widespread riots?

Crazed Rabbit

SO What. What is the chances of that happening?? If SO, go ask ym grandfather, he got so many bullets and guns, he could Give a gun and 40 rounds out to everyone on page 9 of this fourm

But Really, That what Claymores,Landmines and barbred/Razor wire is for....


and AK-47's
you buy on the Blackmarket

[Crazed Rabbit]

SO What. What is the chances of that happening??

One should prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Besides, ever heard of the LA Riots?

That's what the claymore mines, razor wire, bunker and chain gun are for!

Hey, I'd trade a M60 for that.

Crazed Rabbit

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

One should prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Besides, ever heard of the LA Riots?


Hey, I'd trade a M60 for that.

Crazed Rabbit

Yea I did. Don't need Machine guns for a Angry Mob Rabbit.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Really, I guess you rather ignore the debate between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists that happened. Care to guess how many drafts were debated concerning what became the final version of the 2nd Amendment?

Then it seems some are missing the interpations that have stood up to court review.

Again I ask what weapons were forbiden to US citizens at the time of the writting of the 2nd amendment? And isnt the purpose of the bill of rights to limit the power of the government and insure the rights of the people?

[Redleg]

Again I ask what weapons were forbiden to US citizens at the time of the writting of the 2nd amendment?

Cannons were limited. If one reads some of the older laws, one will quickly find that merchant ships could not be armed if they sailed from the United States. This changed because of the War going on between Britian and France where both sides were regularly capturing American Shipping.

The third common effort of the mercantile citizenry was self-defense. The greatest irony of the Navy's early sparseness was the multitude of extant vessels whose owners begged the government to arm them to protect the nation's ports and cargo. When considering the resources available to the nation for the defense of commerce, historians often forget the potential for arming the merchant vessels themselves, which were otherwise completely defenseless against a privateer's cannons. Existing laws prohibited the docking or departure of any armed civilian vessel from American ports, which had the dual effect of protecting the harbors for enemy powers and denying protection to domestic ships on the high seas. As early as October 1797, President Adams considered waiving this restriction on American merchant vessels, but Secretary of the Treasury Oliver Wolcott, whose customs collectors enforced the law, was cool to the idea. On 19 March 1798, Adams withdrew by executive order the requirements for local customs officials to restrain armed American merchant vessels from leaving port.[35] Congress finally responded on 25 June, the same day it passed the subscription ship bill, by approving legislation that allowed private vessels to sail armed out of American ports. Furthermore, the act empowered merchant crews to "oppose and defend against any search, restraint or seizure…by the commander or crew of any vessel under French colors." It placed only one condition: owners must post bonds to the government, which would be repaid only if the ship did not use its arms against neutral vessels.[36] (The restriction ensured that these vessels were not privateers, free to hunt and capture French cargo ships. The U.S. government authorized 365 privateers in the Quasi-War, about one-half of which were registered in Southern states, and one-third from New England. However, none of these saw any action in the West Indies.)[37]

http://etext.virginia.edu/journals/EH/EH42/Swan42.html

And isnt the purpose of the bill of rights to limit the power of the government and insure the rights of the people?

Yes indeed.

The standard rethoric of we have to have weapons to defend ourselves from a tryannical government, doesn't bode well when the military and the police forces of this nation together do not exceed 2% of the population. Nor has anyone been able to demonstrate that weapons legislation did not exist prior to the 20th Century. As the link provided above shows that yes indeed their was legislation to prevent the arming of the civilian population. If we had a higher percentage of the population under federal arms then that arguement might hold sway with me - however research would indicate that from the very beginning their were two main positions on the 2nd Amendment.

The Federalist and the Anti-Federalist. The Federalist debates during the drafting of the constitution demonstrate that the 2nd Amendment had several interpations, and yes even drafts even while it was being ratified. Weapon control legislation has been ongoing for some time now, and it passes review of the courts and congress multiple times when it deals with any weapon outside of those that are considered personal arms.

[Redleg]

Really? You know he was talking of the era right after the Revolutionary War?

Really, I guess you rather ignore the debate between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists that happened. Care to guess how many drafts were debated concerning what became the final version of the 2nd Amendment?

Then it seems some are missing the interpations that have stood up to court review.

And what if you've got an angry mob headed towards your house, in the middle of widespread riots?

Crazed Rabbit

One does not need a machine gun to handle an angry riot. There are several effective means to handle an angry mob that does not involve using machine guns.