There is no free speech here

**Andres** · 11-07-2006, 00:12

My book is for sale since yesterday.

It's a philosophical work, entitled: "Nothing", 500 blank pages.

I'll make you guys a special price, only 250 €

**Caius** · 11-07-2006, 00:22

Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

My book is for sale since yesterday.

It's a philosophical work, entitled: "Nothing", 500 blank pages.

I'll make you guys a special price, only 250 €

I will start to write:The bored kid,by CF

**MSB** · 11-07-2006, 08:37

If I was to say "I am going to kill Tony Blair in the House of Commons tomorrow" I would be arrested. The same applies for radical Muslim Clerics who demand that their addressees “Kill every evil citizen in the US and the UK".

If you are getting my point then you may have realised that there is no such thing as free speech anywhere in the world as you may be disciplined for anything that you say that is considered to be either hate crime or related to past or a future criminal event. Yes the rules are more lenient in the Western World, but say anything wrong anywhere and the police force will be after you the very moment that they find out.

Use the Org as an example of such a nation. They have laws like any other country in the world. Say anything that is considered to be against the Org’s laws and you will have the Gestapo/Secret Police editing/deleting/closing your threads/posts immediately.

**naut** · 11-07-2006, 11:37

Originally Posted by Avlvs Brittanicus

If I was to say "I am going to kill Tony Blair in the House of Commons tomorrow" I would be arrested. The same applies for radical Muslim Clerics who demand that their addressees “Kill every evil citizen in the US and the UK".

If you are getting my point then you may have realised that there is no such thing as free speech anywhere in the world as you may be disciplined for anything that you say that is considered to be either hate crime or related to past or a future criminal event. Yes the rules are more lenient in the Western World, but say anything wrong anywhere and the police force will be after you the very moment that they find out.

Use the Org as an example of such a nation. They have laws like any other country in the world. Say anything that is considered to be against the Org’s laws and you will have the Gestapo/Secret Police editing/deleting/closing your threads/posts immediately.

Uhhh, did you read what Dhepee posted?

Also read the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, especially its prohibition of defamatory speech or publications.

Or from the UN Charter:

Originally Posted by United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 19

1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.
2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:

(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

**MSB** · 11-07-2006, 11:41

Originally Posted by Rythmic

Uhhh, did you read what Dhepee posted?

Yes. I was just adding a little bit more to it saying that no free speech actually exists anyway.

**naut** · 11-07-2006, 11:46

No worries.

**doc_bean** · 11-07-2006, 12:52

Bah, i thought this was going to be another post by some new member complaining his post got deleted. I was already thinking up new ways to make fun of the idea of 'freedom of speech'. alas, wasted effort.

I agree with the first post, of course. Except for the idea that 'freedom of speech' would apply non-US citizens. Despite what Ramstein claims, we're not all living in America just yet

**TosaInu** · 11-07-2006, 19:03

Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

It's a philosophical work, entitled: "Nothing", 500 blank pages.

I reckon blank copypaper will get more expensive due to copyrights.

**Andres** · 11-07-2006, 20:43

Originally Posted by TosaInu

I reckon blank copypaper will get more expensive due to copyrights.

And when that happens, TheCunning will show up with his huge stockpiles of blank copypaper!

Hahaha! You'll all have to pay for TheCunning's paper! I will rule the world with blank copypaper! Muahahaha

Hm, ok, it's that time again :

**Dhepee** · 11-07-2006, 21:15

In the US, home of the First Amendment, free speech co-exists with the prohibition on fighting words, defamation, threats, obscene speech, etc., because those forms of words are deemed non-speech because they are broadly considered to have no social value. The term "non-speech" is a legal fiction, that describes the absolute lack of value assigned to those types of speech.

Although people all over the world talk about their "First Amendment right" it is only an American right, however the concepts of the First Amendment are present in every non-totalitarian state, including the idea that certain forms of speech are non-speech and are therefore not covered by that nation's free speech guarantee. Most notable among these are Germany's laws on National Socialism, although a German jurist might not use the phrase "non-speech" to describe the promotion of Nazi ideals, it is conceptually the same. Without using the phrase "non-speech" a German jurist might well say that promotion of Nazi ideals is so abhorrent and is absolutely without social value that it cannot be covered by an express or implied right to free speech.

In a private forum, such as the org, the decision what is and is not "speech" is entirely at the discretion of the owner of the private forum.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 11-07-2006, 22:04

A good thing to point out.

Additionally, please note that the Org is essentially the 'publisher' of your comments. How far do you think I would get saying that a book publisher was restricting my freedom of speech because he refused to publish my 5,000 page novel describing my exploration of navel lint?

Depends on where you are...reminds me of Atlas Shrugged.

CR

**Meneldil** · 11-15-2006, 19:13

Originally Posted by Dhepee

Although people all over the world talk about their "First Amendment right" it is only an American right

Slightly OT, but I never heard someone talking about his First Amendment right out of the US.

Free speech is worthless anyway. Just close every topic except the Babe Thread, the Org will only get better that way.