Trying to keep a secret - a hypothesis

**Crazed Rabbit** · 11-07-2006, 07:40

How much pain can you take to keep a secret? Long enough to justify Dubya's call for torture?

What call for torture? Or is this yet another of your 'light on facts and actual knowledge' rants?

Crazed Rabbit

**Banquo's Ghost** · 11-07-2006, 07:58

You don't have a choice.

Torture has been guaranteed to get you to talk since mediaeval times. Modern militaries work on the basis that if sensitive information is captured, the enemy will know it in detail in a couple of days maxmimum - usually the default is "assume they know now".

The best that can be done is to provide misinformation. This is the thrust of anti-interrogation training - give information that will satisfy the torturers but innaccurate enough that minimises impact. Like saying 1941 instead of 1944 - sounds like a simple slip.

But don't think you can be a hero.

**Hepcat** · 11-07-2006, 09:40

I would make as convincing a lie as I could and then if they don't believe me plead and beg and look pathetic until they did. Hopefully it would work. After all, if they were going to kill me anyway it wouldn't make any difference what I told them.

I just hope that my would be torturers don't read the backroom.

**ezrider** · 11-07-2006, 10:10

Originally Posted by Hepcat

I would make as convincing a lie as I could and then if they don't believe me plead and beg and look pathetic until they did. Hopefully it would work. After all, if they were going to kill me anyway it wouldn't make any difference what I told them.

I just hope that my would be torturers don't read the backroom.

It would make a difference to you, in that, if the didn't believe you, you'd probably get tortured a lot more. I'm sure its pretty hard to act pathetic after having your thumb in a thumbscrew and your balls electrocuted for the 100th time.

- I often wonder how many members of this board are working directly/indirectly for intelligence agencies. Please write you names below so I can report...
I mean... so I feel safer, yeah safer.

**BDC** · 11-07-2006, 10:40

I believe modern special forces have system for dealing with this. Beforehand they agree the order in which they'll release information under torture. So something on day 1, something on day 2, maybe the correct day 1 info on day 3, etc.

**Ronin** · 11-07-2006, 10:47

Torture will get you to talk...period...

it will get you to talk even if you don´t know anything....You´ll just make something up to make it stop.

**Keba** · 11-07-2006, 11:03

Break immediately, co-operate from the start. I don't care for my country enough to actually get tortured, die, sure, but tortured, no way, man.

Then try to feed them as much misinformation as possible, while keeping to the truth. So, for D-Day, give them the correct date, but put it a hundred kilometers to the left of the actual location. Give them them sligtly incorrect plans, tell them of other operations planned that will force them to split troops (such as, say, hinting at an amphibious invasion of the Balkans and paratrooper landings in the Netherlands).

**Ronin** · 11-07-2006, 11:11

Originally Posted by Keba

Break immediately, co-operate from the start. I don't care for my country enough to actually get tortured, die, sure, but tortured, no way, man.

Then try to feed them as much misinformation as possible, while keeping to the truth. So, for D-Day, give them the correct date, but put it a hundred kilometers to the left of the actual location. Give them them sligtly incorrect plans, tell them of other operations planned that will force them to split troops (such as, say, hinting at an amphibious invasion of the Balkans and paratrooper landings in the Netherlands).

just tell them that you are part of a special us army team that have a specific motive:

"While our armies are advancing so fast and everyone's knocking themselves out
to be heroes we are holding ourselves in reserve in case the Krauts mount a counteroffensive which threatens Paris or maybe even New York."

if anyone can say the source for that quote...you get....a cookie!

**Husar** · 11-07-2006, 11:05

Looking at where I was born, I doubt the SS would have interrogated me, I'd be such a lucky Nazi to be interrogated by the much nicer Brits(this would actually be the good point about fighting for the dark side).