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    Man with a Hat Member bedlam28's Avatar
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    Default AI Diplomatic tricks

    Hi, I just had a frustrating situation, and would like to know if its just the game dynamic or if I have a ‘please kick me’ sign on my back.

    Playing as the Egyptians, I had slowly built up my army stacks, so that I had 1 per city to attack and besiege the Armenians.
    I was Allied with the Sythians in the North, Macadonia in the West and Carthage in the South so my borders were all currently safe.



    I moved my armies in place and besieged all of the Armenians cities at once. Supposedly crippling their economy ready for my attack.
    However, about 2 turns in, when all my equipment was made and I was ready to attack I suddenly had a ceasefire from Armenia forced upon me.
    Lost all that time, and effort. It took me some time, but found that it was because they had Allied with Sythia.

    Question: How comes I can NEVER get a neutral country to ally with me if I am At War with one of their Allies.

    Ok so ceasefire; I move most of my armies South after my diplomat finds that the Scipii’s have taken Carthage / Thapsus / Lepcis Magna and are heading towards Cyrene, which is Egyptian soil !

    And of course, Armenia decides to besiege ME ! cheeky beggers ! But, now we're at War again, but now I am no longer Allied with Sythia because ‘ I have broken the alliance’ and yet Armenia and Sythia are still buddies.

    Question: How can Armenia attack a mutual ally of Sythia and yet I as the innocent party get told off ?!? whilst they continue as Allies.

    Now I cant Ally with Sythia because ‘It is not in our best interest’.

    If someone knows how to manipulate the Diplomacy on this I would appreciate the advice.

    Thanks all.
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    Default Re: AI Diplomatic tricks

    Tamur's Diplomacy Guide may have the answer you are looking for. Personally I get trade rights with every faction I can, and ally with few to none. Never trust an alliance with a neighboring faction.

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    Default Re: AI Diplomatic tricks

    Some of it is by design, and some of it is either a game bug with the post BI patches or the "I'm the player. Kick me." sign. Prior to BI (or patch 1.3), you COULD ally with an ally of your enemy, and it would end the war instantly. However, whoever attacked would be kicked out of the alliance subsequently. Since then, using your situation as the example, Armenia wouldn't be able to ally with Scythia. However, that doesn't seem to work both ways. Scythia could offer the alliance to Armenia, which would end the war if accepted. The problem is the "broken alliance" isn't working like it used to, and I can't help but think it's broken. Now, instead of the party who attacks being kicked out of the alliance, it always seems to be the human player.

    To use an example from my own experience, I was at war with the Seleucid empire. The Seleucids were allies with Scythia. My diplomat, talking with Scythia, didn't have the Alliance option even show up on the diplomacy screen. However, a few turns later, I was contacted by a Scythian diplomat who offered an alliance. I accepted and the war ended. When the Seleucids attacked again, I was out of the Seleucid-Scythia alliance.
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    Default Re: AI Diplomatic tricks

    Thanks Avatar for the link, I checked it out but it didn't help too much; probably as its a big begger to read through. I will have to pick it up again


    Quillan, its good to know its not just me, and I think its more frustrating because the human player cant manipulate the Diplomacy the same way as the AI does. but hey I'm just kicking Armenia's butt anyway

    Any way that people know to get round this would be a great help...
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    Major General Haim


    "If you're in a fair fight, you didn't plan it properly."


    All right ... all right ... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order ... what HAVE the Romans ever done for US?

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    In me experience it´s always the fraction that is attacked which is kicked out of the alliance. (when I noticed, i started to use it, to keep useful alliances, from faling apart.
    I have 1.5.

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    Default Re: AI Diplomatic tricks

    I read a while ago that to encourage a healthy relationship, use diplomats to contact allied factions - even if you have no reason to ask or give anything... the simple act of saying 'hello' to your allies keeps the relationship healthy and makes it more unlikely that they will break the alliance...

    this is why you sometimes see foreign diplomats saying 'hello' with their diplomats but not asking or requesting anything from you...

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