Hitler VS Stalin

[dragomix]

Who is WORSE?

[Craterus]

It's a matter of opinion really..

But I'll say Hitler. He went off the rails and lost the war.

[Taedius]

It becomes a question of what "worse" is: Number of dead or total destruction?

To me, the question is pointless. They were both bad, and let's hope we never see anything like it again.

[bedlam28]

Quite a disturbing question really; wonder what motivated that.

currently reading 'One day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich' about a prisoner of one of Stalin's Siberian Gulag's. But at least Stalin had no incinerators in his camps.
The damage of Hitlers Focused hatred is still a scar on all our history.

Personally I prefer Road Runner or Wily : who was most bad...
I think that Road Runner was just plain evil....
just my opinion

[Innocentius]

Hitler intended to kill people. Stalin just didn't care if a few million died while reforming the industries.

[Slartibardfast]

Hard to say but for my money Most Evil Barstard circa WW2 has to go to..........

It's a draw.

Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker who with their business associates at Brown, Root and Harriman, now a subsidiary of Haliburton, financed the NAZI party from its infancy. They eventually become Hitlers bankers and supplied a lot of oil, spare parts, etc; to the NAZI war machine. A Congressional Trial, post Pearl Harbour, exonerated them of the charges of "dealing with the enemy".

No political party or war gets off the ground without someone throwing copious amounts of money at them. Killing masses of people in the cause of a demented ideology is ordinary "being completely plain insane". Providing the financial platform to enable the killing masses of people in the cause of a demented ideology in order to simply make a huge monetary profit takes "the Most Evil Barstard cake" in my books.

[Vladimir]

Hitler intended to kill people. Stalin just didn't care if a few million died while reforming the industries.

Hello, the purges?

Anyway, I vote for Mao .

[Vuk]

Hitler intended to kill people. Stalin just didn't care if a few million died while reforming the industries.

What!! What about Ukraine?! He delibrately killed more people in Ukraine than Hitler in the ENTIRE WAR!! And that was just the beginning! Hitler went after the Jews, and Stalin went after the protestants!! They both had a religious/ethic group they disliked and killed everyone of them that they could! Stalin imho was worse simply because he killed more, and in just as gruesome a way. While Hitler, no doubt, would have killed as many or more as Stalin if he could, he didn't. Stalin took more human lives in worse ways and caused mass human suffering. By that measurement, I'd say Stalin (For the ugliest, shortest dictator of WWII, though, it would be Hitler ;)).

[Derfasciti]

Stalin-killed more. Did nothing really good.

[Samurai Waki]

I guess Stalin summed it pretty well.

"A Single Death is a Tragedy; a Million Deaths is a Statistic."

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I said Stalin. 40 million is more than Hitler, but that isn't all that should be included in discision. I just made a quick one.

[Kagemusha]

As much as i despise Stalin, i have to vote Hitler. True Uncle Joe was a terrible person. But for example how he differs from lets say Saddam Hussein or Ivan the terrible the one who brought the Muscowites as the main power in Russia? Stalin was a power hungry dictator, who didnt have any respect on human life. But he was also a real politik. While he was completely mercyless on his policies, he was also succesfull. Whether we like or not it was Stalin who created the world power Soviet Union from Tsarist Russia. While the ideas were mainly from Lenin and Trotski, it was the Josif Vissarionovits Dzugashvili who made those ideas come true. Stalins motivation was power. But if you think the normal Musik farmer in Russia had it any better at Tsarist Russia you are wrong. They just become the slaves of the party instead of slaves of Tsar.
I despise Stalin for his murdering of innocents as much as i despise Hitler. But to me Hitler was not only cruel dictator, but also a complete madmen and diabolical in a sense where only few others in history can come close. He was an industrial mass murderer who didnt choose his victims becouse he was paranoid like Stalin,but simply becouse he could. Hitlers philosophy was that the weak shouldnt be let alive. He was an extreme Darwinist who basicly thought that a just reason for killing another human beeing was that the other one couldnt defend himself. One of his favourite sayings that he yanked time to time was that compassion was a sickness. He thought that he was the master of the master race and all others should be destroyed just becouse they could be destroyed. In the end of the war when he realized that his master race had "betrayed" him by loosing against untermenchen his firm believe was that becouse of that failure the Germans should end to exist as nation becouse they had failed his standards.
This man was so badly disturbed,twisted and evil that it makes me sad to think that there have been people like him.

Btw.Nice to see you again in Org, Red Inquisitor!

[AntiochusIII]

Eh, I'm kind of bored with this comparison. It's older than ninjas vs pirates, if that says anything.

It all comes down to "Stalin kills moar!" and "Hitler's more loony!" So I'm gonna cast my vote for Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon.

[Adrian II]

Nice to see you again in Org, Red Inquisitor!

Likewise, honourable Kanrei.

[Reenk Roink]

This poll is really in want of a 'Gah' option...

'OSU' would be fine too...

[Marshal Murat]

Stalin's paranoia did cause a huge mass of Red Army Deaths. The 'Purge' ring any bells? Hundreds of fine officers were cut from the ranks, killed or shipped to gulags. This created an atmosphere of fear, where the comissars watched and approved every single move.
Winter War is a great example. Any Finn will give you the bleak comparison between the modern Red Army and the post WW2 Finns, who were armed with rifles, a few Bofor anti-tanks, and short term weapondry. The Red Army had TANKS, Airplanes, and artillery galore. It's a great example in the north, where a Russian commander could push through, and hold the Finns in place for the entire span of the war. Most Red Army commanders were cautious, hoping to funel their thousands of troops along patchy roads through the forests. If they were smart, they would blitz through the south, in the middle, applying overwhelming force and the shock of tanks to break any Finn defenses. They didn't, and this resulted in thousands of Red Army deaths.
The only reason why Stalin didn't use a nuke was because of MAD. That was the greatest invention of man, MAD.
If Hitler had a nuke, then he would use it regardless.
However, had Hitler been in control, his steady amount of killings would have resulted in mass revolt and his overthrow.
Stalin's paranoia caused a state of fear across the globe, and resulted in many of the problems of today. Civil Wars between US backed Democratic parties, and Soviet backed Red parties. Stalin is evil because his long-term effects have a negative, more far reaching problems, that has resulted in more havoc and destruction than a great anti-Hitler force that held by only threads. Hitler was short-term. Stalin was long term.