Hitler VS Stalin

[Avondland]

I voted Hitler as he started the war, was responsible for the Holocaust, and his Lebensraum policy called for the extermination of the Slavs. As rotten as he was, Stalin never tried to exterminate an entire ethnic group AFAIK.

Kulaks, Wolga-Germans, Ukranians, even Jews were frequently deported towards the Gulags. Altough one cannot speak of exterminating an entire ethnic group, Stalin's policy could be considered racist ... and yes, that is quite ironic for an ideology that claims to be 'communist'.

I voted for Stalin. He was responsible for the deaths of millions, the unfortunate occupation of several countries in Eastern Europe with also a high death toll. But both men have put their mark on history. One may not forget both dictators also did good things, because as future historian, I believe the world is not black and white but filled with unlimited variations of grey. It would be unwise to say: Hitler Evil, Stalin Evil. One should look at these men from their own time period.

[Hepcat]

I believe the world is not black and white but filled with unlimited variations of grey. It would be unwise to say: Hitler Evil, Stalin Evil.

That is what I believe too. Had Russia continued with Lenin's plan for agriculture then the Soviets would almost certainly have done infinitely worse during the German invasion. Hitler rebuilt Germany and also, although the war was horrible, it made Europe a much more stable place. This doesn't excuse what they did, but they were a nessicary historical force and without them the world wouldn't be what it is today. It may also not be such a good place too.

I have to put in post here,the madagascar plan is not ture! !

I am pretty sure it is true but was a plan. It proved impractical because the problem was that when France surrendered they couldn't reach Madagascar because the British controlled the Suez Canal and they couldn't go around the long way and go past South Africa, so it was abandoned until they enacted the final solution. There were also plans for the invasion of Ireland but just because it wasn't put into action doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Warluster]

Quote:I am pretty sure it is true but was a plan. It proved impractical because the problem was that when France surrendered they couldn't reach Madagascar because the British controlled the Suez Canal and they couldn't go around the long way and go past South Africa, so it was abandoned until they enacted the final solution. There were also plans for the invasion of Ireland but just because it wasn't put into action doesn't mean it isn't true.[/QUOTE]

But basiclly Madagascar was a death camp because of all the lions, bugs and diseases, he was still killing 'em!

[Marshal Murat]

Lions, I thought they were Lemurs!!??

I voted Stalin.
Communist (there is the ticket to Hell right there)
Stalin's paranoia is worse than Hitlers Final Solution.
Stalin killed thousands of Red Army Officers, Farmers, Workers, Officials, Jews, Homosexuals, Democrats, Fascists, and others. Is bulk worse than specific genocide?
His oppresive regime caused needless Red Army Casualties (Purge, Winter War, WW2), where men were simply thrown against the enemy, the officers so afraid of independence, of the purge, the commissars that men were wasted in fruitless frontal assaults.
They both brought their nations out of economic decline, but Stalin's economy really helped Eastern Europe!
Stalin is responsible for North Korea (okay Mao involved his troops, but where did those T-34's come from? The MiGs?)

Hitler was just as paranoid, and I'm NOT DEFENDING THE HOLOCAUST, but the killing of 3 Million Jews against the killing Millions of Soldiers and People in Gulags and Prisons?

Unfortunately, Hitler will win out because he was so odd. Mark my words.