Hitler VS Stalin

[dacdac]

well, Hitler was worse in my opinion. He used not only revenge, but religion as a tool to kill people. He even tried, but failed, to keep his own people from knowing just how many people he had killed. He served in WW1 and was so broken by the lose and Treaty of Versailles (sp?) that he vowed his revenge.
Stalin, on the other hand, was a victim of human nature. After overthrowing the gov't and czars of Russia, he became corrupt witrh power. He had Lenin kicked out, hunted down, and tried to kill him in order to rulle the Communist party.
By denotation, there is not much wrong with communism, even the U.S. was communist as the colonies were being formed. But he stretched the truth for more power, sold his people's food for more money and weapons, and caused the death of anyone who revolted, rebeled, even spoke out against his rule.

[Csargo]

well, Hitler was worse in my opinion. He used not only revenge, but religion as a tool to kill people. He even tried, but failed, to keep his own people from knowing just how many people he had killed. He served in WW1 and was so broken by the lose and Treaty of Versailles (sp?) that he vowed his revenge.
Stalin, on the other hand, was a victim of human nature. After overthrowing the gov't and czars of Russia, he became corrupt witrh power. He had Lenin kicked out, hunted down, and tried to kill him in order to rulle the Communist party.
By denotation, there is not much wrong with communism, even the U.S. was communist as the colonies were being formed. But he stretched the truth for more power, sold his people's food for more money and weapons, and caused the death of anyone who revolted, rebeled, even spoke out against his rule.

Not true he had Trosky killed not Lenin. Lenin died in the mid 1920s then it was a power struggle between Stalin and Trosky which Stalin won. Trosky was eventually assassinated in Mexico I believe with an Ice Pick to the back of the head.

[caravel]

Getting back to the all important moustaches. I think Stalin's was better than Hitler's, though Hitler would have beaten Stalin on hygiene. Stalin's would have caught far more soup than Hitlers, of that I've no doubt. After a few days the flies would have started buzzing around the bits of chicken and spuds and carrots stuck in there. Hitler's on the other hand would not have trapped as much food, so he wins.

[Andres]

Hitler VS Stalin?



I'd put my money on Stalin.

Now, let's get ready to rumble !

[maximus overlord]

ok guys all that is water under the bridge take a look at germany today
and the take a look at russia

i know witch country i'd prefer to live in

[Samurai Waki]

Stalin was the boy who punched little kids in the stomach and stole their lunch money.
Hitler was the little boy who got punched in the stomach and had his lunch money stolen one time too many.

Can't really compare the two in terms of Evilness considering it is a subjective term. But if I was an (Aryan) German I'd rather have Hitler as my leader, rather being a Russian and having Stalin as my leader. If I was in the Holocaust I'd rather have neither one as my leader.

[CrossLOPER]

???

[Hepcat]

I don't see anyone mentioning the fact that AFTER the war the "liberated" Russian POWs in the concentration camps just got sent to Gulags. Isn't that lovely, you have survived a death camp, NOW WORK IN OUR LABOUR CAMPS!

THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS RUSSIAN POWS ONLY RUSSIAN TRAITORS!!!!

Stalin was responsible for the deaths of more of his OWN people. Statistically Stalin was worse. Whether his moustache looped twelve times around his head and went in his ears and out his nostrals he was worse, I believe.

[Avicenna]

It's stupid and pointless to compare two characters from two different countries for different periods of time. Sure, Stalin killed a lot. Now, convert those figures to percentages of their country's population, and find the average killed-per-year % from that.

Also, to say that Hitler caused ALL the deaths in WWII is ludicrous. The Japanese were fighting a war before your European one, Nanjing massacre anyone? Also, ever heard of the Soviet war machine's one rifle per 3 (or was it 5) people figure? They also posted machine-guns to gun down people who were running from the battle.

All the Aryan rubbish as well... guess what it's for... SCAPEGOATING! Hmm, never thought of that, did we? The Nazi's NEEDED a scapegoat to blame Versailles and the hell after it, a scapegoat THEY could save Germany from by destroying, ONLY IF VOTED INTO POWER.

As for Stalin's political killings, those were to keep himself alive. In a dog-eat-dog world, if you didn't do that, you'd die and just be replaced by someone else like you.

[MSB]

I voted Stalin, but if Harry Truman was up there I would have voted for him as he was the first to drop a nuclear bomb.

[Cencus]

Really dunno who's worse, the lying, scheming, racist, who subverted and destroyed democracy in home country, invaded his neighbours and started the largest war to date, or the lying, scheming, paranoid delusional farm boy turned politician, who destroyed any hope of communism and instead promoted a mix of fascism and socialism.

Both were horrendous mass murders, luckily Hitler was defeated in just over a decade.

[Warluster]

Not true. Hitler's plan wasn't all along to kill the Jews. He actually thought he could defeat the UK and then force them to let Germany use there Navy to ferry all of the Jews in Europe to Madagascar. If you don't believe me look it up in wikipedia. That was called the Madagascar Plan.

I have to put in post here,the madagascar plan is not ture! ! You are allowed to put your own info in the wiki. Someone has obviously inserted some nonsense which some people actually believe. It is not true. The Nazi soldier's were killing jews on the street, everywhere! That was demoralizing to the soldier's so Adolf Eichmann oredered them to get extermination camps, they had to run that by Hitler first.

[Avondland]

I voted Hitler as he started the war, was responsible for the Holocaust, and his Lebensraum policy called for the extermination of the Slavs. As rotten as he was, Stalin never tried to exterminate an entire ethnic group AFAIK.

Kulaks, Wolga-Germans, Ukranians, even Jews were frequently deported towards the Gulags. Altough one cannot speak of exterminating an entire ethnic group, Stalin's policy could be considered racist ... and yes, that is quite ironic for an ideology that claims to be 'communist'.

I voted for Stalin. He was responsible for the deaths of millions, the unfortunate occupation of several countries in Eastern Europe with also a high death toll. But both men have put their mark on history. One may not forget both dictators also did good things, because as future historian, I believe the world is not black and white but filled with unlimited variations of grey. It would be unwise to say: Hitler Evil, Stalin Evil. One should look at these men from their own time period.

[Tomisama]

Did either ever actually personally kill anyone?

Hmmm?

No matter I guess.

They were indeed monsters, devoid of the compassion that makes us grater than the beasts. But they could not have done anything alone. They were enabled buy those around them, who can only be judged as worse, as they had the ability and opportunity to stop them.

Word

[Hepcat]

I believe the world is not black and white but filled with unlimited variations of grey. It would be unwise to say: Hitler Evil, Stalin Evil.

That is what I believe too. Had Russia continued with Lenin's plan for agriculture then the Soviets would almost certainly have done infinitely worse during the German invasion. Hitler rebuilt Germany and also, although the war was horrible, it made Europe a much more stable place. This doesn't excuse what they did, but they were a nessicary historical force and without them the world wouldn't be what it is today. It may also not be such a good place too.

I have to put in post here,the madagascar plan is not ture! !

I am pretty sure it is true but was a plan. It proved impractical because the problem was that when France surrendered they couldn't reach Madagascar because the British controlled the Suez Canal and they couldn't go around the long way and go past South Africa, so it was abandoned until they enacted the final solution. There were also plans for the invasion of Ireland but just because it wasn't put into action doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Motep]

This still goin on? Plain and simple...hitler was waay worse. Stalin killed for his country, Hitler killed to soothe his own hatred. Plaus Hitlers regime killed loads more people, and decimated half of Europe, plundering evrything in sight. DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I voted Hitler as he started the war, was responsible for the Holocaust, and his Lebensraum policy called for the extermination of the Slavs. As rotten as he was, Stalin never tried to exterminate an entire ethnic group AFAIK.

No, Stalin just didn't mind if everyone was exterminated except for the Communists.

[Warluster]

Quote:I am pretty sure it is true but was a plan. It proved impractical because the problem was that when France surrendered they couldn't reach Madagascar because the British controlled the Suez Canal and they couldn't go around the long way and go past South Africa, so it was abandoned until they enacted the final solution. There were also plans for the invasion of Ireland but just because it wasn't put into action doesn't mean it isn't true.[/QUOTE]

But basiclly Madagascar was a death camp because of all the lions, bugs and diseases, he was still killing 'em!

[Marshal Murat]

Lions, I thought they were Lemurs!!??

I voted Stalin.
Communist (there is the ticket to Hell right there)
Stalin's paranoia is worse than Hitlers Final Solution.
Stalin killed thousands of Red Army Officers, Farmers, Workers, Officials, Jews, Homosexuals, Democrats, Fascists, and others. Is bulk worse than specific genocide?
His oppresive regime caused needless Red Army Casualties (Purge, Winter War, WW2), where men were simply thrown against the enemy, the officers so afraid of independence, of the purge, the commissars that men were wasted in fruitless frontal assaults.
They both brought their nations out of economic decline, but Stalin's economy really helped Eastern Europe!
Stalin is responsible for North Korea (okay Mao involved his troops, but where did those T-34's come from? The MiGs?)

Hitler was just as paranoid, and I'm NOT DEFENDING THE HOLOCAUST, but the killing of 3 Million Jews against the killing Millions of Soldiers and People in Gulags and Prisons?

Unfortunately, Hitler will win out because he was so odd. Mark my words.

[Mithrandir]

Historical moustaches are best discussed in the Monastery.

Moved.

[Adrian II]

You guys know what's funny? If you ask Germans who was worse, nine out of ten will opt for Hitler. If you ask Russians, nine out of ten will opt for Hitler, too.

[Motep]

well, he WAS waorse

[Slartibardfast]

Getting back to the all important moustaches. I think Stalin's was better than Hitler's, though Hitler would have beaten Stalin on hygiene. Stalin's would have caught far more soup than Hitlers, of that I've no doubt. After a few days the flies would have started buzzing around the bits of chicken and spuds and carrots stuck in there. Hitler's on the other hand would not have trapped as much food, so he wins.

Hitlers mo and exagerated hand movements whilst speaking sort of makes him look like a crazed militant Charlie Caplain. Lenins walrus would look cool after sculling a stien of really frothy beer.

[Hepcat]

But basiclly Madagascar was a death camp because of all the lions, bugs and diseases, he was still killing 'em!
I didn't say that it was going to be a paradise. But what were Stalin's gulags? Were they just little buisinesses. If you didn't do enough work one day you got less rations. When you have less rations how are you meant to work harder?

Sending the Jews to Madagascar meant that Hitler was indirectly killing them off, the same applies for the gulags.

[TigerVX]

Stalin was paranoid, Hitler was insane. Stalin feared everything, were in Hitler feared nothing. Basically why I voted for Hitler.

And yes, Stalin wins World War Mustache most definitely. However, Churchill wins World War Fatty.

[Ice]

Like it was said, atleast Stalin turned the USSR into a world superpower after WWII. Atleast he had that legacy to show. All Hitler did was bring a country way up, then smash it to the ground. They were both evil, but I voted Hitler.

[Motep]

Stalin was paranoid, Hitler was insane. Stalin feared everything, were in Hitler feared nothing. Basically why I voted for Hitler.

And yes, Stalin wins World War Mustache most definitely. However, Churchill wins World War Fatty.

actually, hitler was skitzefrenic and VERY paranoid. Cant argue with the insane part.
haha about the churchill fatty thing, but qiut messin with him.

[GottMitUns]

The terms of the question are not clearly defined and invite all kinds of hyperbole and totaly subjective arguments.

Worse in what way?

The argument that Hitler was worse because his genocide was intentional while Stalins was only coincidental is a weak argument. Hitlers genocide could also be explained as coincidental to his plan for domination by the germanic race.

Hitler wanted the germanic race to dominate and used genocide as a tool to acheive that goal.

Stalin wanted Communism to dominate and used genocide as a tool to acheive that goal.

One has merely to look at the Ukraine situation to have an idea of what I am talking about.

Personaly I think Hitler was worse because he lost the war. Victory being the primary measure of "better or worse" in war.

[Conqueror]

Voted Hitler because I think he would have eventually caused more death and suffering than Stalin, had he actually won the war.

[Dutch_guy]

Well I voted Hitler, as he was the only one of the two who actually invaded and occupied my country. As far as total bodycount goes, Stalin may be worse but in my opinion when we're talking about millions of dead people it's just too hard to pick one above the other...