Morally, Hitler.
Statistically, Stalin.
Morally, Hitler.
Statistically, Stalin.
About destroying democracy... the people voted Nazi and KPD knowing fully well that they intended to destroy democracy. If anything, blame the German people for that.
Hitler was a soldier in WWI so probably did kill someone, having won the Iron Cross.
Stalin did not fight 'for his country' as it was. He was Georgian, and plenty of Georgians died under him.
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If Hitler had won the war there would have been mass GENOCIDE!Originally Posted by Conqueror
Hitler's "if he won plans":
- all Jews/Muslims/all other religions that are not Christianity must be EXTERMINATED.
- anybody without blonde hair and blue eyes must die.
- all foreign leaders and opposition must be beaten and then killed.
- must have several lictors carrying an axe and a bundle of reads behind me.
- must have large posters all over the world proclaiming how good I am.
- everybody must greet each other by saying "HAIL HITLER"
- everybody must speak German or die.
Hitler was mean, but Stalin would have blasted us to peices with NUKES (much worse than being beaten to death by Hitler). Also Stalin was communist (facist is better - the Romans were sort of facist).
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Stalin-killed more. Did nothing really good.
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I guess Stalin summed it pretty well.
"A Single Death is a Tragedy; a Million Deaths is a Statistic."
Hitler never had something against the other religions. He had a muslim SS division. He wanted to kill all jews because he thought they were less human, the same way as the slave traders and most people in the Christian world thought negro's were lesser people. He also wanted to kill all gipsy's, now that is no religion as far as know... and all homo's, no religion either.Originally Posted by Avlvs Libvrnivs Britannicvs Maximvs
Hitler himself had brown hair and brown eyes. So he should start with himself first. THere was no way he was going to kill everybody withour blond hair and blue eyes and a firm jaw. He just would have no one left. He only said that was the ubermensch and they should rule... but the ubermensch shouldnt rule ubermensch so, the normal mensch should be left alive, only the untermensch had to die.
and I don't recall him wanting to kill everyone that didn't speak german... German would become the official language ofcourse.
We do not sow.
my oppinion: all WW2 Leaders were weird and crazy... i know a few things about Churchill that scares the shit out of me... the only difference was that his helpers sometimes refused to listen, where Stalins helpers never dared to refuse a thing and Hitlers helpers only started refusing when it was too late.
I would say it is a draw. But who are the other 8 of Histories most evil men...
Nero? Caligula? Genghis Khan? Nixon?
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Hello! Good to see you back in control. Although I recall KukriKhan doing a more than decent job as your replacement, as was to be expected.Originally Posted by TosaInu
I see new forum sections, new gadgets. Mods are on full strength. Board looks better than ever, TosaInu.
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It was no problem. Just doing my job.Originally Posted by Adrian II
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Nixon? lolOriginally Posted by The Stranger
Stop hijacking the thread Tosa![]()
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I voted Hitler, tho both are bad, voting Hitler makes more sense to me, dunno why really
Re-reading the thread. Someone said that WWII deaths in the Red Army were 'needless'. Well, shows how well he would have led in Stalin's stead... "no! Don't retaliate against the Nazis! We cannot have deaths!"
ALBM: I don't even know where to start with your post. The list is completely wrong, Hitler and the Nazi's PROMOTED pagan ideas. They weren't hardcore christians.
It's spelt "heil", not "hail"
If he wanted to "beat and kill all foreign leaders", why did he install puppets like Mussolini for the SRI and Tiso for Slovakia?
And why are the Romans better? They subjugated many more ethnic groups than the Germans did for their small size, and made them into slaves. They also killed foreign leaders. So do the Americans, look at Saddam.
By the way, Stalin did have nukes. For a few years before his death, actually. I don't see any records of a 3rd nuclear strike by Stalin, do you?
So, if you feel like saying such things again, please DON'T make it off the top of your head. Actually learn something about the topic you're discussing...
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From what I know about Hitler, that is what I believed he would have done.Originally Posted by Csar
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Brilliant.
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pffff Tosa can hijack every thread... i mean... we are good but he is God... so... HE IS THE ULTIMATE POWER, THE GOD OF DOT-ORGUS... haven't you read my story describing his ultimate fight with Dev Dave...Originally Posted by Stig
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Dank je, De Vreemdeling.Originally Posted by The Stranger
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I said Stalin. 40 million is more than Hitler, but that isn't all that should be included in discision. I just made a quick one.
As much as i despise Stalin, i have to vote Hitler. True Uncle Joe was a terrible person. But for example how he differs from lets say Saddam Hussein or Ivan the terrible the one who brought the Muscowites as the main power in Russia? Stalin was a power hungry dictator, who didnt have any respect on human life. But he was also a real politik. While he was completely mercyless on his policies, he was also succesfull. Whether we like or not it was Stalin who created the world power Soviet Union from Tsarist Russia. While the ideas were mainly from Lenin and Trotski, it was the Josif Vissarionovits Dzugashvili who made those ideas come true. Stalins motivation was power. But if you think the normal Musik farmer in Russia had it any better at Tsarist Russia you are wrong. They just become the slaves of the party instead of slaves of Tsar.
I despise Stalin for his murdering of innocents as much as i despise Hitler. But to me Hitler was not only cruel dictator, but also a complete madmen and diabolical in a sense where only few others in history can come close. He was an industrial mass murderer who didnt choose his victims becouse he was paranoid like Stalin,but simply becouse he could. Hitlers philosophy was that the weak shouldnt be let alive. He was an extreme Darwinist who basicly thought that a just reason for killing another human beeing was that the other one couldnt defend himself. One of his favourite sayings that he yanked time to time was that compassion was a sickness. He thought that he was the master of the master race and all others should be destroyed just becouse they could be destroyed. In the end of the war when he realized that his master race had "betrayed" him by loosing against untermenchen his firm believe was that becouse of that failure the Germans should end to exist as nation becouse they had failed his standards.
This man was so badly disturbed,twisted and evil that it makes me sad to think that there have been people like him.![]()
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Eh, I'm kind of bored with this comparison. It's older than ninjas vs pirates, if that says anything.
It all comes down to "Stalin kills moar!" and "Hitler's more loony!" So I'm gonna cast my vote for Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon.![]()
Likewise, honourable Kanrei.Originally Posted by Kagemusha
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This poll is really in want of a 'Gah' option...
'OSU' would be fine too...
Stalin's paranoia did cause a huge mass of Red Army Deaths. The 'Purge' ring any bells? Hundreds of fine officers were cut from the ranks, killed or shipped to gulags. This created an atmosphere of fear, where the comissars watched and approved every single move.
Winter War is a great example. Any Finn will give you the bleak comparison between the modern Red Army and the post WW2 Finns, who were armed with rifles, a few Bofor anti-tanks, and short term weapondry. The Red Army had TANKS, Airplanes, and artillery galore. It's a great example in the north, where a Russian commander could push through, and hold the Finns in place for the entire span of the war. Most Red Army commanders were cautious, hoping to funel their thousands of troops along patchy roads through the forests. If they were smart, they would blitz through the south, in the middle, applying overwhelming force and the shock of tanks to break any Finn defenses. They didn't, and this resulted in thousands of Red Army deaths.
The only reason why Stalin didn't use a nuke was because of MAD. That was the greatest invention of man, MAD.
If Hitler had a nuke, then he would use it regardless.
However, had Hitler been in control, his steady amount of killings would have resulted in mass revolt and his overthrow.
Stalin's paranoia caused a state of fear across the globe, and resulted in many of the problems of today. Civil Wars between US backed Democratic parties, and Soviet backed Red parties. Stalin is evil because his long-term effects have a negative, more far reaching problems, that has resulted in more havoc and destruction than a great anti-Hitler force that held by only threads. Hitler was short-term. Stalin was long term.
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Have you just been dumped?
I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.
As a Finn,im pretty well aware of the History of Winter War and i wouldnt say that the problem with SU was the lack of The schweerpunkt. Soviet Union deployed atleast an Division in a direction of every major road to Finland.They attacked everywhere they could. But im thinking of writing something in detail of Winter War soon, so we can continue the talk there.![]()
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MM like you said... Stalin was long time and Hitler short... if you look at the devastation both caused... Stalin wins, but if you look at the timespan and than who was the worst... Hitler definitly leads all the way... he was a sick pervert...
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