Open borders, one and all

[Don Corleone]

With the House and Senate in Democratic control, President Bush will have to do some compromising in the next 2 years to accomplish a bowel maneuver, let alone implementing policy. So, he's going to have to give some to get anything done. What are to be the most likely 'first gifts' brought to the Democrats? The minimum wage and an end to immigration reform. Translation, as of tomorrow morning, our border with Mexico will be wide open..... but keep those oil subsidies in place, please....

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

As control of the House moves to the Democrats, Bush said immigration and minimum wage measures were areas of common ground to discuss when he meets Democratic speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi Thursday.

"We can work together over the next two years," the president said.

But he added: "She's not going to abandon her principles, and I'm not going to abandon mine. But I do believe we have an opportunity to find some common ground to move forward on."

Of all the issues to compromise on, domestic security should not be the first one coughed up. Oh well, come on in Al Queda.

[Major Robert Dump]

Not all the dems previous to the election nor all the dems after the election approve of Bush and Pelosis amnesty plan. the problem therein lies to how much pressure the party will put on the more conservative dems to comply, i.e. "don't make us pull a lieberman on you."

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What are to be the most likely 'first gifts' brought to the Democrats?

[failed joke]Drapes![/failed joke]

[Major Robert Dump]

[failed joke]Drapes![/failed joke]

haha

[vizigothe]

Simple. A nation with a closed border is a closed nation. USA is suppose to be a free nation. A free and open nation. We cannot sacrifice our rights out of fear. Too many people have done that before and it has caused nothing but disaster.

[CrossLOPER]

Such a bland issue. What qualifies as an "open" border? What qualifies as a "closed" border? Surely pressing against illegal immigration isn't a bad thing? You are breaking the law if you enter illegally, so you should be subject to it.

[Samurai Waki]

Funny, I live in south California and the raping and pillaging by gangs in General has been happening LOOONG before the Mexicans ever came across the border.

[AntiochusIII]

Simple. A nation with a closed border is a closed nation. USA is suppose to be a free nation. A free and open nation. We cannot sacrifice our rights out of fear. Too many people have done that before and it has caused nothing but disaster.

I think "open border" means something different here.

Namely, the freely open passage for citizens of two different countries to cross with virtually no administrative oversight. It can prove to be quite problematic as in the case with the USA-Mexico border. It isn't half as problematic with the USA-Canada border, or the countries within the EU.

The alternative that most sensible people argue for is not a closed border Berlin Wall style (though the stupid Congress did vote in a Berlin Wall...that they did not intend to build), but merely a controlled border. Their arguments rely on the principle of National Sovereignty.

As for me, let's just say the movie "Crash" has an interesting thing to say about people in general.

[Samurai Waki]

I do agree that we should've made Immigration Stations like we did with Ellis and Angel Island, along the border of Mexico. Granted, we only turned about 1% of Immigrants back at the time, but that roughly equates to some 30,000 people.

[Papewaio]

Quicker way to remove drug trafficking and illegal immigration is to cut off the end users... drug users and businesses respectively.

Fine the businesses/ seize their assets. This will add a couple of million to get rid of the deficit. The larger impact would be there would be less of an attraction for illegal immigrants as the available job market would shrink, stage two of helping the money drain would be towards government funds that go on illegal immigrants... everything from stopping them, sending them back and looking after them... less people means less costs.

[Don Corleone]

Quicker way to remove drug trafficking and illegal immigration is to cut off the end users... drug users and businesses respectively.

Fine the businesses/ seize their assets. This will add a couple of million to get rid of the deficit. The larger impact would be there would be less of an attraction for illegal immigrants as the available job market would shrink, stage two of helping the money drain would be towards government funds that go on illegal immigrants... everything from stopping them, sending them back and looking after them... less people means less costs.

You don't get it, do you Pape? Every Mexican gang that wants to come across the border, raping and pillaging the Southwest, then flee back under a cover of amnesty will be free to. And our Middle Eastern friends? Mexico lets them in, then they take the scenic route to LA, up the coast.

And what's the principal Washington is standing on to open the border to Mexico? Cheap labor and more votes.

[Papewaio]

Well if that's your stance why not get rid of Texas?