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    Do you guys really think things are gonna change/improve ? I dont think so. I always wish for the best, but expect the worst.

    Anyway, i know many vets, who like me, are waiting to have some feedback on mp. MTW2 is the first TW game i wont buy on release day. Of course, who am i kidding ? Sure i'll buy it. Sure i'll try mp. Many "old" face will come out in the incoming weeks. If its good enough they'll be back. If not, i'm sure it wont affect the usual RTW crowd.

    Hope I'll see a couple of ya online. Its been awhile since i've been routed by a Cheetah and a Golfish

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    Quote Originally Posted by UglyandHasty
    Do you guys really think things are gonna change/improve ? I dont think so. I always wish for the best, but expect the worst.
    I don't expect much change from now on; either the gameplay is good as it is, or not. There might be some marginal improvement in speed, in balancing, or in bug fixing (such as swipe, or the uber archer from RTW), however, it's only going to go so far: if 3v3 are not playable today, then it's unlikely 4v4 will be tomorrow.


    Anyway, i know many vets, who like me, are waiting to have some feedback on mp. MTW2 is the first TW game i wont buy on release day.
    Same here... It's been out for a week, I still don't have it, and the more I read about it, the less I feel like buying it.

    Of course, who am i kidding ? Sure i'll buy it. Sure i'll try mp. Many "old" face will come out in the incoming weeks. If its good enough they'll be back. If not, i'm sure it wont affect the usual RTW crowd.

    Hope I'll see a couple of ya online. Its been awhile since i've been routed by a Cheetah and a Golfish
    Well, for SP, I think TW is outclassed by Paradox game, and EU3 is coming in January, so I'd rather get that one.

    And for MP, well, if the current situation remains, it's not worth buying to play MP only.

    So I might very well drop it alltogether. Too bad, there are many people I wish to play against or with, but if the game is not good, everybody will drop it sooner or later anyway...

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    This is sad. Speaking as an old timer I just looked in to view the general feel of the new game and while you always expect the odd groan if it’s not playing 4v4 its lost all the fun. Kinda proves the fact that more and bigger is not always better: chess has only 6 different pieces yet its variations are infinite and the gameplay unsurpassed. Are you ever going to get a balance with 100 different types?

    The problem is that after the fantastic MP experience of the earlier games the SP just gets boring. Perhaps like Civ2 you’re never going to be able to hit that mark with the ones after.

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    Are you on the payroll of CA? If you are not interested in playing multiplayer, you shouldn't write in this (EDIT:)multiplayer forum.
    I'd be grateful if you showed me where I stated that I am not interested in playing multiplayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
    I'd be grateful if you showed me where I stated that I am not interested in playing multiplayer.
    Quote Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
    I really don't care if a battle ends with 20 men left or 300 men left, I really don't care if upgrades are in or not, I really don't care if a unit can move 140 m/sec instead of 139 m/sec.. And I'm sure, most of the community doesn't.
    You criticized the discussion. But these points are important to have good multiplayer matches. There are many factors to make the battles interesting.
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    Very nice first impressions, RomoR. I'll link to it on the M2TW forum. It's good to hear pikemen are worth it. I'd be interested to hear more MPers go into details like that.

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    just to drop a positive line here,

    I have played since the first medieval. Rome was a drawback with respect to several issues, as other posters have remarked, there was the impression that CA wanted to replicate a standard RTS in many respects. It was a disappointment for me as well as for many vets.

    Some things will never come back: the 10 units of Shogun, the idea of perfect balance, we all know that it will not come back.

    But Medieval-II shows an inversion: it is MUCH closer to the first medieval than to Rome: marching/running velocity, killing velocity, even the starting 10k seems to offer (at first glance) a certain balance, massing troops is not working anymore and flanking gets its benefits.

    In short, the CONCEPT of CA is, IMHO, changing back to the direction of the original TW games. The lag in the 3v3 and 4v4 might be solved by patching, yesterday there was Palamedes in the lobby asking around. There was Magy! and he did not look displeased of the game (well he did not say much honestly, this one is just an impression).

    This game has potential. I say, lets look, lets wait, lets pinpoint the problems, lets be also harsh to CA, why not, I payed the price, 49 eur, because there is written MULTIPLAYER UP TO 8 PLAYERS, so I want that one too, I will SCREAM for that. But lets also recognize that there is a change.

    And a tihng I would really love, is that they would find a way I can RECOGNIZE THE UNITS BETTER ON THE BATTLEFIELD. That would be sweet, sprites were much better, poligons could become some kind of sprites from far view, something I can see well, perhaps if I want to give up the "splendid eye candy" (eye candy is good, just, I don't care for it, I want to recognize the living from the death, mine from the enemies, arcers from heavy inf, and so on.

    Sorry for the length,

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    Overall, I'm quite impressed with MP, other than the lag:

    -> Cavalry are only uber in the charge (and boy if they charge right are they uber!), but when they get bogged down its horsemeat sandwiches for supper

    -> Missile troops feel about right, not too deadly not to poop

    -> Movement speed is a leetle too quick, but the lag kinda makes up for it

    -> It just feels a little more polished than Rome in pretty much every department

    My only gripes are:

    -> Spears don't seem effective enough against infantry. In fact, spears suck at everything except absorbing a cavalry charge. Even armoured pikemen didn't cut it for me. Note that I don't expect spears to be great against infantry, but even decent spearmen get shredded by weak swords.

    -> Massively depleted cavalry units (say like reduced to 3 troops) take ages to die/rout even when surrounded.


    I can see myself playing a lot of MP. It's not quite like the original MTW, but it feels more like that than it does Rome, IMO, which is a GOOD thing.

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    *yawn* .... this all happened before.

    I know it's not a very constructive comment, but it's amazing how many circles one can do. I do admire you all for your tenacity, you are CA's best asset, a fanbase which constantly tried to improve the game and does'nt give up. Incredible. My Respect. I really wish you all the best of luck and deeply admire your efforts. Hope you can enjoy MTW2 like you did STW or MTW mp, with all the great graphics (and hopefully some realism too).

    Sounds very much like the discussion after MTW was released. At that time, snice I played very little STW online, I was'nt sure what everyone was talking about. Then with RTW, I really got the idea. Well, I'll keep reading around here before I buy.

    Meanwhile, I started a 1vs1 Hearts of Iron 2: Doomsday, online. That is the first game I played in a while. terrific. No fancy graphics, but depth and detail, immersion is total. Effortless, glitch free, 'balanced', in depth. Brilliant.

    Salute !
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    Quote Originally Posted by UglyandHasty
    Hope I'll see a couple of ya online. Its been awhile since i've been routed by a Cheetah and a Golfish
    We can help about this. How are you mate? Hope to meet you on the battlefield soon. Visit our forums in the meantime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UglyandHasty
    Do you guys really think things are gonna change/improve ? I dont think so. I always wish for the best, but expect the worst.

    Anyway, i know many vets, who like me, are waiting to have some feedback on mp. MTW2 is the first TW game i wont buy on release day. Of course, who am i kidding ? Sure i'll buy it. Sure i'll try mp. Many "old" face will come out in the incoming weeks. If its good enough they'll be back. If not, i'm sure it wont affect the usual RTW crowd.

    Hope I'll see a couple of ya online. Its been awhile since i've been routed by a Cheetah and a Golfish
    How have you been my friend?

    So have you bought M2TW or gone online? What do you think?

    Just downloaded TC2M demo.. hope this will fill my void between now and 24th
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    I fought two games today (finally), One against my friend FEAR from the German clan Croton, and one against Kurogane from Grey Wolves. I did good both games, winning my first one, and losing a good game against Kuro. I expericend some Lag, and Cav seem kinda odd, but not bad. Those Handgunners... OUCH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
    Those Handgunners... OUCH!
    Handgunners are more "zomgz they make a big bang lets run away" kinda unit than "ouch". They kill very few, but route very many (if you can get them round an enemy flank).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tootee
    How have you been my friend?

    So have you bought M2TW or gone online? What do you think?

    Just downloaded TC2M demo.. hope this will fill my void between now and 24th
    Salut Tootee

    I'm doing good thanks. I have one little ugly running ammoc in the house, and another one due this winter. I hope everything is ok on your side. Is Clarence still playing ?

    I have buy MTW2. I'm a bit disapointed. SP look like and fell like a reskin version of RTW. At least speed and killrate seem much better.

    As for MP, well i wish i could tell, i keep receiving a NAT failure message when i try to join a game. I'll keep trying, but my patience might run short.

    You will love TC2M. That game is a blast !

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