Very true Puzz3D, but they are in that position because the MP community left these forums. I certainly think CA view this place and act on certain issues. We all know how bad RTW was for MP, what did CA do about it? If there were a few more dissatisfied players they may take notice, they fixed some things in SP afterall. My comments regarding the moderators and SP were simply highlighting this point. I posted in the M2TW Bug thread, the identified bug was MULTIPLAYER however that was deleted (which is a shame). I find this the action of an overly protective moderator. No patch is going to fix the state of MP so in the present circumstances I guess the best course of action is to draw a line under Total War

.......Orda