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    Having played considerably far into the English Medieval campaign I felt I understood the game enough to go for a harder challenge. And while I understand the game fully, I did not expect just how hard the enemy would be on Very Hard!
    I went the Scots on the Viking Campaign and the first disaster stuck when my province in Ireland rebelled and the rebels decimated me. I then gathered what forces I had and attacked the rebel province south of my lands on mainland Britain. Again, the rebels decimated me!
    Now I never play games on anything less that their hardest unless Im learning how to play it. And Im sure that in Medieval, like in Rome, the AI gets a morale bonus on Very Hard.
    However as an example, I charged a unit of armoured spearmen with two full units of Highland Clansman followed by a cavalry charge in their rear. First of all, the Spearmen weren't even close to breaking and second, they beat up my three regiments so badly that they all fled!
    So what exactly does Very Hard give the AI in Medieval? Steroids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quickening
    Having played considerably far into the English Medieval campaign I felt I understood the game enough to go for a harder challenge. And while I understand the game fully, I did not expect just how hard the enemy would be on Very Hard!
    I went the Scots on the Viking Campaign and the first disaster stuck when my province in Ireland rebelled and the rebels decimated me. I then gathered what forces I had and attacked the rebel province south of my lands on mainland Britain. Again, the rebels decimated me!
    Now I never play games on anything less that their hardest unless Im learning how to play it. And Im sure that in Medieval, like in Rome, the AI gets a morale bonus on Very Hard.
    However as an example, I charged a unit of armoured spearmen with two full units of Highland Clansman followed by a cavalry charge in their rear. First of all, the Spearmen weren't even close to breaking and second, they beat up my three regiments so badly that they all fled!
    So what exactly does Very Hard give the AI in Medieval? Steroids?
    Did you put the charging Clansman and Cavalry on wedge formation?
    Did you put the Clansman on "hold" after the charge as well as the Cav?
    Did you repeatedly charged the spearman behind the back with the Cavalry (on wedge)?

    You should have left out the 2nd clansman out of the melee as a reserve.

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    Default Re: First Game on Very Hard

    Very hard sounds hard.
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    Default Re: First Game on Very Hard

    Quietus has a good point. Using several units against one is only really effective if the enemy unit is weaker than your own troops, and you want to maximize the number of prisoners.
    However Very hard (or Expert, as it is called in the game) is truly very hard.
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    Default Re: First Game on Very Hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Quickening
    Having played considerably far into the English Medieval campaign I felt I understood the game enough to go for a harder challenge. And while I understand the game fully, I did not expect just how hard the enemy would be on Very Hard!
    I went the Scots on the Viking Campaign and the first disaster stuck when my province in Ireland rebelled and the rebels decimated me. I then gathered what forces I had and attacked the rebel province south of my lands on mainland Britain. Again, the rebels decimated me!
    Now I never play games on anything less that their hardest unless Im learning how to play it. And Im sure that in Medieval, like in Rome, the AI gets a morale bonus on Very Hard.
    However as an example, I charged a unit of armoured spearmen with two full units of Highland Clansman followed by a cavalry charge in their rear. First of all, the Spearmen weren't even close to breaking and second, they beat up my three regiments so badly that they all fled!
    So what exactly does Very Hard give the AI in Medieval? Steroids?
    I assume you're referring to "expert" difficulty? If so then what you're experiencing is the effects of a morale bonus in the favour of the AI. For the beginner this can be quite unfair. For those that understand the nuances of the game, it can be an exploit because the enemy doesn't rout as easily, giving more kills to the player units, and thus greater valour. I'd advise you to stick to the "hard" difficulty. IIRC, If you're auto-calcing battles it will be an even bigger disaster, because that morale bonus is taken into account for autocalc also.
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    Default Re: First Game on Very Hard

    Caravel is correct. On Expert, the AI gets a +4 morale bonus to their troops in battle, making them much harder to route. I also believe the computer gets a small valour bonus (I want to say it's .3, but don't quote me on that) as well, meaning that the AI's troops have a slightly higher average valour level.
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    Default Re: First Game on Very Hard

    The expert level is tough, and often you're going up aganist more than tough peasants .

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    Default Re: First Game on Very Hard

    As Martok covered most of it I'll simply add that 30% is supposed to be roughly equal to 1 valour. On hard it's 15% IIRC.

    As for the difficulty. After checking out the campaign it shows that my memory is correct. The armoured spearment in that province is valour 2 and led by a 6-star general, making them valour 5.
    Or to put it differently, they would kick your butt even on normal (and as they had morale 4, they wouldn't always rout if hit in the back).

    A tip on the battlemap is to check those small extra flags some units have. Those flags represent valour, one flag for each valour. So a unit with a lot of those flags is a very dangerous foe.

    And a tip for the Scot's campaign is to take Ireland first. And keep Ulster at all costs! It's a very rich province.
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    Okay, thanks all.
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