10 New Factions for EB2

[Rhyfelwyr]

Any plans yet for the ten new faction slots available in M2TW for EB2? If you're not expanding the map, any views on this list:

Goidili - Irish faction of Celtiberian origins
Belgae - Gallic faction with lands in Belgium, southern Enlgland, and Ireland
Chatii - Gallic/Germanic faction in western Germany
Gothi - eastern German faction, would limit expansion of Sweboz
Roxolani - Sarmation style faction around southern Ukraine
Pergamum - Greek state in eastern Turkey
Illyrians - tribal faction with Hellenic influence, modern day Croatia, Serbia
Ligurians - barbarian tribe in northern Italy
Celtiberi - Celtic tribe in northern Spain
Libyans - desert peoples in Libya, prevent Carthage/Egypt 'sand wars'

Any views on this list, try to get some discussion going?...

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I noticed that out of that list only two weren't barbarians. I would prefer to see more greek nations, personally. But I'm in the minority non-barbarophile.

[tk-421]

After much discussion, we have decided that the new faction slots available for MTWII will be used for 10 different versions of Bartix. Enjoy.

[Zaknafien]

Id like to see Mu, Lemuria, and Hyperborea too.

[MSB]

I would like to see:
Bellovaci – Modern day Belgium - to stop the Casse and the Adeui
Brigantes – An Northern British tribe to stop the Casse
Galatians – Macedonia and a small area of central Turkey
Cimbri – Denmark - so we can have a lovley migration
Gothi – same reason as Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
Helvetii – Southern Germania and Switzerland - So we can have another lovley migration
Saebeans – Southern Arabia - to add interest to conquests of Arabia.
Messena - to start a Punic War!
Syracuse - to start a Punic War!
Ligurians/Boii - to hold up the Romans in Northern Italy

If one of the above is faction X then I would like to see:
Libyans The same reasons as Caledonian Rhyfelwyr
and if the sand wars are gone then:
Pergamon - So when the family tree dies it can go to Roma!

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

After much discussion, we have decided that the new faction slots available for MTWII will be used for 10 different versions of Bartix. Enjoy.

QUESTION! ... Will the Bartix Rebels be playable?

[CountArach]

After much discussion, we have decided that the new faction slots available for MTWII will be used for 10 different versions of Bartix. Enjoy.

TELLL US WHAT UNITS BARTIX HAS ALREADY!!!

[Anthony]

Brigantes – An East Anglian British tribe to stop the Casse

East Anglian? They ruled most of what would be Northumbria. East Anglia was part of the territory the Catuvellauni exacted control over, most famously inhabited by the Cenomagi (Iceni).

[MSB]

East Anglian? They ruled most of what would be Northumbria. East Anglia was part of the territory the Catuvellauni exacted control over, most famously inhabited by the Cenomagi (Iceni).

I read that a certain British tribe that rules this area was client to the Brigantes. I have corrected it.

And could somebody please explain what Bartix is?

[The Celtic Viking]

And could somebody please explain what Bartix is?

Read this thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=47080

[MSB]

Read this thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=47080

I still don't get it.
Is Bartix Baktria? If it is then why don't people call it that?

[Zenith Darksea]

I personally would like to see:

1. Syrakousai
2. Belgae/Nervii
3. Caledonii
4. Pergamon
5. Nabataia
6. Saba
7. Maszakata (Massagetae)
8. Chatti (or some such Germanic tribe)
9. Nubia/Kush
10. Massaesylii (or some such Numidian faction)

Incidentally, 'Bartix' was a joke faction conceived for a bit of light humour. It's not Bactria.

[Urnamma]

Nubia was not a faction in our time.

Kush/Aksum, etc will never be in EB, as we have stated before. They would have two units, spearmen and simple bowmen, both relatively unarmored. They would get skullraped by any other faction, and by most rebels.

[MSB]

Kush/Aksum, etc will never be in EB, as we have stated before. They would have two units, spearmen and simple bowmen, both relatively unarmored. They would get skullraped by any other faction, and by most rebels.

You could always give a little bit of variety in that matter. An example of what units you could have:

Peasant Spearmen - 1HP 5 Attack 0 Armour 1 Shield 1 Charge
Middle Class Spearman - 1HP 6 Attack 1 Armour 2 Shield 2 Charge
Noble Spearmen - 1HP 7 Attack 2 Armour 3 Shield 2 Charge
Peasant Bowman -1HP 3 Attack (ranged) 3 Hand to Hand Attack 0 Armour 0 Shield 1 Charge
Middle Class Bowman - 1HP 4 Attack (ranged) 3 Hand to Hand Attack 1 Amour 0 Shield 1 Charge
Noble Bowman - 1HP 5 Attack (ranged) 4 Hand to Hand Attack 2 Armour 1 Shield 1 Charge
Nilotic Fisherman - 1HP 4 Attack (ranged spear thrower) 1 Hand to Hand Attack 0 Armour 0 Shield 1 Charge

Now that is more units than Gaul had in vanilla. Come on people use your imagination and add some more!

[Moros]

ABout the Belgae, I think making a faction called Belgae or the Celtic variant of that name (if there is one) would be as ahistorical as a faction called gaul. The belgae are a collection of manny different tribes (Remii, Nervii, Menapii,...). Maybe one of the bigger tribes could be an option but not just Belgae. At least in my humble opinion.

[MSB]

ABout the Belgae, I think making a faction called Belgae or the Celtic variant of that name (if there is one) would be as ahistorical as a faction called gaul. The belgae are a collection of manny different tribes (Remii, Nervii, Menapii,...). Maybe one of the bigger tribes could be an option but not just Belgae. At least in my humble opinion.

I suggest the Bellovaci.

[Krusader]

You could always give a little bit of variety in that matter. An example of what units you could have:

Peasant Spearmen - 1HP 5 Attack 0 Armour 1 Shield 1 Charge
Middle Class Spearman - 1HP 6 Attack 1 Armour 2 Shield 2 Charge
Noble Spearmen - 1HP 7 Attack 2 Armour 3 Shield 2 Charge
Peasant Bowman -1HP 3 Attack (ranged) 3 Hand to Hand Attack 0 Armour 0 Shield 1 Charge
Middle Class Bowman - 1HP 4 Attack (ranged) 3 Hand to Hand Attack 1 Amour 0 Shield 1 Charge
Noble Bowman - 1HP 5 Attack (ranged) 4 Hand to Hand Attack 2 Armour 1 Shield 1 Charge
Nilotic Fisherman - 1HP 4 Attack (ranged spear thrower) 1 Hand to Hand Attack 0 Armour 0 Shield 1 Charge

Now that is more units than Gaul had in vanilla. Come on people use your imagination and add some more!

Fine. Let's throw realism overboard and go for political correctness.
I'll probably be called racist for this, but there was no big enogh power in Nubia, Meroe, Aksum area at this time. There are plenty of other factions/regions which would be more historically accurate.

And btw that's inventing units ain't it?
Bah, maybe you're joking or maybe not. I'm just starting to get fed up that people want a Nubian faction, just to have it. As Urnamma have pointed out, they would just have two units basically. Spearmen & Bowmen.

[QwertyMIDX]

There is also the little problem that Aksum didn't exist until the 1st century BC. After the fall of D'mt (t5th century) there is no major power in Ethiopia until Aksum rises out of a mess of what could losely be called successor states (they rose and fell with pretty amazing rapidity). During most of EB's time frame the north of Ethiopia is dominated by the Ptols and the east by Saba, the interior, as I just mentioned, is pretty much petty warlords and tribes without any large scale political organization.

[Lovejoy]

0.8 is yet to be and people are already talking about EB2...

And so will I.

Anyone know if the Medival2 engine features reappearing factions? One of the things I really hated in Rome was the loss of that feature.

One think I would love to see in EB2, are faction rising in diffrent time periods. When they did in reality.

As for the faction... the main thing is Illyria gets a spot. ;)

[MSB]

0.8 is yet to be and people are already talking about EB2...

And so will I.

Anyone know if the Medival2 engine features reappearing factions? One of the things I really hated in Rome was the loss of that feature.

One think I would love to see in EB2, are faction rising in diffrent time periods. When they did in reality.

As for the faction... the main thing is Illyria gets a spot. ;)

All I know is that the CA has said something about civil wars/emerging factions. They have said that civil wars will not be on the scale of M2TW and they have also said that factions will not re-emerge like they did in the original MTW. Shame I know, but perhaps it can be modded in?

[abou]

The problem with a lot of factions that people want is that at the year 272 they were either not organized, had no ambitions of expansion, or did not exist.

People say they want Numidia, but they were not organised as anything but nomadic tribes until Masinissa became their king and convinced them to settle in permanent cities - and only then after the 2nd Punic war and after much conflict. If Carthage had not lost and subsequently been forced to accept the treaty it did, I don't think Numidia would have expanded at all.

Syracuse, though a powerful Greek city, doesn't seem to have had any ambitions to control all of Sicily or the southern region of Italy. I want to say the same about Pergamon, but I'm not sure.

Nubia didn't even exist in the time frame.


The only thing really beneficial that I see for multiple factions is that it alters gameplay for the current 20 factions that we have. Rebels can be broken up into regions so that when, for example, Casse goes to war for control of the British Isle it only goes to war with the rebels on the island and not all the rebels.

[Moros]

Anyone know if the Medival2 engine features reappearing factions? One of the things I really hated in Rome was the loss of that feature.

I believe that one of Epistolary RIichard's reports about Mtw2 modding said it was a feature. I'm not sure anymore tough.

[QwertyMIDX]

Syracuse actually made a few bids for control of Sicily.

[-Praetor-]

People say they want Numidia, but they were not organised as anything but nomadic tribes until Masinissa became their king and convinced them to settle in permanent cities - and only then after the 2nd Punic war and after much conflict. If Carthage had not lost and subsequently been forced to accept the treaty it did, I don't think Numidia would have expanded at all.

What about Lybia, or western numidians, or no-massilian numidians?

That would be neat... they were pretty numerous by the time of the punic wars, for what I heard...

Were they nomadic as well? or were they organized in a proper state?

[MSB]

Syracuse, though a powerful Greek city, doesn't seem to have had any ambitions to control all of Sicily or the southern region of Italy. I want to say the same about Pergamon, but I'm not sure.

I am sure that they did have some sort ambition to take over Siclly. Why else would they get Carthage to help them beat Messena and take over the other Greeks of Siclly?

[Rhyfelwyr]

It would be nice to fill in the gaps left by EB1. The biggest gaps were Britain, northern Gaul, eastern Europe, the Steppes, and Libya. The following factions would respectively fill these gaps in order:

Goidili (Ireland, Celtiberian) or Caledoni (Scotland, Early Celtic)
Remi (Belgium, Celtic) or Eburones (Belgium, Celtic/Germanic) or Chattii (Belgium, Germanic)
Gothi (north-east Germany, Germanic) or Dahae (north-west Romania, Dacian)
Roxolani (southern Ukraine, Steppe)
Libyans (Libya, basic desert peoples)

Illyrians and Celtiberians would also be important to have. There should also be a couple more Greek city states at least. Pergamum and Syracuse would be ideal. Ligurians or Helvetii woudl fill in northern Italy nicely.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I think there should be alot of imerging factions. Many of these factions get a "NO!" because they didn't exsist at the time and came a hundred years later or so. But if they appeared when a realistic precursur was met it would add to the game.

After all, Bactria is outside of this time frame and didn't exsist for a few years after the start...

[tk-421]

QUESTION! ... Will the Bartix Rebels be playable?

Yes, but you'll have to unlock them first.

[Lusted]

I still don't get it.
Is Bartix Baktria? If it is then why don't people call it that?

Someone was calling Baktria Bartix, but it evolved into a whole new joke, including a faction "preview" with all stick figure pics.

[Moros]

Eburones (Belgium, Celtic/Germanic) or

Weren't these controled by the atuatuci? Also as far as I know they weren't one of the big players. Thier "famous" uprise lead by ambiorix against the romans is the only big thing they've done. I can be wrong tough, as I'm not one of the historians.