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    Quote Originally Posted by Filibustería
    It would be a good idea, but i thing that there weren't muskets in the 13th Century.

    And oter thing... If there is no christianism, there can be no 13th or 15th century...
    You are right. But we need to be based on real time dates to be comprehended.

    Quote Originally Posted by caius britannicus
    With my histories, Alexanders empire brought increased trade from China. Therefore advances in gun powder technology arrived in europe several hundred years earlier. It is my intention to include muskets from the very beginning (or close to it) and then use them as the catalyst for stronger plate armored soldiers etc.
    I had a similar idea in mind.



    Quote Originally Posted by Filibustería
    Oh, well then, could this work?
    Thats exelent! One detail though, they cant be sitting while firing, its too unconfortable and they cant fire with precision now that they dont have proper support. To be able to reload, they could have a musket that breaks, reload it like a normal one, then flip it back on to make a long one.

    Early on, the Alexandrian Empire could have adopted the firelance from china. The "Greek Fire Lance". Was Ghenjis Khan born it your History? If he was, he could have taken a part visible in the map.(If he had not died)
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    "Early on, the Alexandrian Empire could have adopted the firelance from china. The "Greek Fire Lance". Was Ghenjis Khan born it your History? If he was, he could have taken a part visible in the map.(If he had not died)"

    As I mentioned above, the mongols very much attacked. The Alexandrian empire hit them dead on. However, like in actual history the mongols cavalry was far superior to the heavy cavalry and pikemen infantry of the Alexandrian Empire. Several crushing defeats forced the Alexandrian Emperor to abandon territory and pay a tithe based on the empires yearly taxation to the mongolian Khans to ensure the empires safety.
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    Caius i have to say i love fantasy stories like that and i would love to help with some concept art. Perhaps you should make a thread of this? Also are the armor styles equivalent to early until late medieval historic ones or are you matching different eras with different ages?

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    Certainly an interesting concept you guys have, and great work on the concept art Caius. You seem to be mixing alexander era greek helmets with Byzantine troop styles. I might try and see what i could do with the Romans, basing helmets off of the late roman era helms perhaps, or does the Roman army develop differently in your story.

    Oh, and i hope to see some Companions who have a Kataphraktoi look thrown in for good measure.

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    With the romans I'm having a creative block... well sort of a creative block. I haven't really decided what I want to do. The late roman helmets seem to translate better into medieval style helmets but I don't like the armor they use. In the end I may take the helmets from the late empire and use the armor from the early empire. Its hard to say how the romans armor would have evolved with no presence in greece. No dacians to fight means they would have had considerably less armor and would have likely remained in their chainmail throughout their history. At the same time however in my histories wars with the Alexandrians and carthaginians create an empire a hundred years earlier in history creating an expanding empire much sooner. But I'm concentrating on finishing an alexandrian unit list (full conceptual design) before I move onto the romans. Gives me more time to think about stuff.
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    Some ideas:

    As they would have been fighting the Carthaginians and Alexandrian Empire, i would expect to see them still using chainmail, maybe with some breast plates thrown in. They would likely have developed longer swords as those can cut the head off of a pike. Shields may have become flatter, more oval in shape as the legions developed into anti-phalanx troops with oval shields to push aside the pikes and longer swords to cut off the pike heads. They would also likely have anti-cav spear units, maybe even making their own version of the phalanx. In response to the Alexandrian empires companinos and Thessalians they would likely have developed their own counter unit of elite cavalry, with small shield strapped to arm, double handed lance, hamata/squamata armour and graves. Helmets im not sure about, maybe late Roman/early republic influenced?

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    Yes, with no Dacia present, their helmets would be flimsy, and with no greek present their sector segmenta would be rather crude, or plain. Chain mail it posible to have been forgotten, just because its making is slow and expensive.Their shields howerver, could have been not flat but bent in. This would help to mantain the pikes from the Alexandrians in jammed in the shield while they would chop the wooden shaft.

    Note: Throught warfare, romas would have eventualy develp warfare similar to that in reality, throught trial and error.

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    without the dark ages would the carthaginians or greeks discovered teh americas? And also will the alexandrians and carthaginians have elephants. An idea for the alexandrians is make them appear very little and be very expensive symbolizing that you got them by trade.
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    caius, there weren't any thureophoroi "of alexander's time."

    now, if he lives longer in your alternative history, then he'd have to come back from babylon to fight the invading galatians (unless they kept their alliance with him), so then in your alternate history he could end up with thureophoroi during his lifetime.

    interesting idea, good luck with it. i imagine its the sort of thing that could be very popular with a lot of people. i for one have always had a lot of fun with the counterfactuals.
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    I am just going to wish you good luck. Creative vision is yours and yours alone. The others are just helping to refine that. BUT IT IS YOUR VISION, that can push this through. Hope you don't lose heart on this, since it is SUPER KEWL...


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    Default Re: A little Idea...

    [QUOTE=Murfios]
    Thats exelent! One detail though, they cant be sitting while firing, its too unconfortable and they cant fire with precision now that they dont have proper support.[QUOTE]

    You're right, but they could sit once they have fired to properly recieve the cavarlt charge.

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