What happened to spears?

**Eques** · 11-14-2006, 12:36

What i deslike more about these "new spear" units is that they dont act like spearmans! Im talking about units like Pikemans, not the spearmans using small sticks and a shield. They seen to like more of their second weapon: swords.
For example, do you see they marching like those old phalanx keeping their spears down? NO! They raise their pikes even when they march.
Sometimes i feel like their pikes are just for show...
Forgive me if im wrong, cuz my game didnt arriived yet and till now im just playing the demo over and over again.

**AussieGiant** · 11-14-2006, 12:41

The English unit is called "Armoured Sargents".

There is no mention of spears in their title but their discription reveals that they are armed with spears.

That is the unit I'm talking about.

Another question econ...I assume you have used Dismounted English Knights. Did they have polearms?? By the way econ...I'm asking enough questions of you to wonder if I am becoming annoying. Let me know if I am, and I'll ease up.

**econ21** · 11-14-2006, 13:05

I looked at the building browers last night, and I think for the English there's no armoured sergeant - the "ultimate" English non-knightly infantry unit I think you can recruit in the campaign is the armoured billman. I suspect the IGN faction list was for MP, not SP.

I have not got dismounted English knights, but from the building browser, they do have polearms yes.

**Lusted** · 11-14-2006, 13:07

For example, do you see they marching like those old phalanx keeping their spears down? NO! They raise their pikes even when they march.

That's accurate, the phalanx formation was incredibly overpwoered because it meant units were basically invincivble from the fornt, even when moving.

**Raxxius** · 11-14-2006, 13:14

I think the main problem wasn't the invicivibility from the front it was the mobility, Phalanxes could spin on a dime with spears down in RTW. Nothing like charging into the rear of a phalanx only to have it spin round (spears going through bodys) and slaughter your unit.

**AussieGiant** · 11-14-2006, 13:26

Originally Posted by econ21

I looked at the building browers last night, and I think for the English there's no armoured sergeant - the "ultimate" English non-knightly infantry unit I think you can recruit in the campaign is the armoured billman. I suspect the IGN faction list was for MP, not SP.

I have not got dismounted English knights, but from the building browser, they do have polearms yes.

Well b****er me with a pitch fork!! My main fighting unit has just been taken away!! They were giong to be my backbone unit against all those French horsies on the continent!!!

Good to hear about the polearms on the Dismounted English Knights Econ.

It looks like the those Heavy Billmen need to be upgrade to the eye balls for the mid to late game!!

**Raxxius** · 11-14-2006, 13:55

Billmen are disapointing so far.

**econ21** · 11-14-2006, 13:57

Billmen remind me of town militia in MTW. Good attack, especially against armour, but poor defence and no anti-cav property. Good for charging into the flanks or rear of already engaged enemies.