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    Default U.S. children showing hardening of arteries

    Hey,



    Bad enough Adults are obese, Really Sad when Kids are obese. My God, I'm having enough ploblems trying to gain 10-20 pouns (that how thin and heatlhy I am) and these kids are 20+ pounds overweight



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    So, aside from having their tonsils cut out, their appendix removed, and a circumcision performed on males, children born in the US are now going to have their stomaches stapled, I suppose?

    I'm sorry to be crude, but this has become an amazing problem. Looking back at the fatty genetics argument a while back, I have to say someone has been recently contributing to the gene pool when they really shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossLOPER
    So, aside from having their tonsils cut out, their appendix removed, and a circumcision performed on males, children born in the US are now going to have their stomaches stapled, I suppose?

    I'm sorry to be crude, but this has become an amazing problem. Looking back at the fatty genetics argument a while back, I have to say someone has been recently contributing to the gene pool when they really shouldn't.
    Or perhaps parents should stop feeding their children **** and take the time and effort to prepare correctly sized and well balanced meals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock
    Or perhaps parents should stop feeding their children **** and take the time and effort to prepare correctly sized and well balanced meals.
    I would assume their parents aren't really underweight either.

    And here I am, fighting for every kg...that I can gain(muscles of course, no need for fat )


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    My God, I'm having enough ploblems trying to gain 10-20 pouns (that how thin and heatlhy I am) and these kids are 20+ pounds overweight
    And here I am, fighting for every kg...that I can gain(muscles of course, no need for fat )
    You guys aren't married yet are you?
    and New Zealand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
    Hey,



    Bad enough Adults are obese, Really Sad when Kids are obese. My God, I'm having enough ploblems trying to gain 10-20 pouns (that how thin and heatlhy I am) and these kids are 20+ pounds overweight



    Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15698567/
    God no, the old warhorse of body weight, food and heart disease is trotted out again.

    First of all, there is no connection at all between cholesterol intake per os and cholesterol levels in the blood. None whatsoever. Zilch.

    Secondly, reduced intake of either cholesterol, saturated fat or calories does not reduce the risk of heart disease. Most famous are the MRFIT-trials. The 1982 U.S. trial (involving 12.000 men at high risk of heart disease) found that a low fat, low cholesterol diet actually resulted in a higher death rate.

    High cholesterol blood levels do not cause a higher incidence of coronary or other diseases either, and in fact, many recent clinical trials show that a low cholesterol level is a higher risk than a high level.

    In the 1970s Brown and Goldstein found the gene causing extremely high cholesterol levels and premature heart disease. When will we finally give their research due recognition? In fact, why don't we?

    Because health scares are money-makers.

    Over 50 years ago, U.S. health officials were already making dire predictions based on the notion that half the American people were over-weight and doomed to succumb to all sorts of horrible diseases. In reality, since then Americas have lived longer and healthier every year.

    This a simply a non-issue, brought up by liberal bleeding hearts who want Americans to feel guilty about their 'gluttunous' lifestyle, based on heartless exploitation of the world's riches. The fairytale serves no useful purpose, merely the socially convenient purpose of blaming kids of larger-than-average weight and their parents for anything and everything untoward that befalls them in life. And it helps to finance a huge industry that capitalises on a host of health scares.

    Please, let us not give in to this pressure from diet guru's, professional scaremongers (like the American Heart Association in the article) and special interest groups representing the pharmaceutical industry anymore.
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    "Secondly, reduced intake of either cholesterol, saturated fat or calories does not reduce the risk of heart disease. Most famous are the MRFIT-trials. The 1982 U.S. trial (involving 12.000 men at high risk of heart disease) found that a low fat, low cholesterol diet actually resulted in a higher death rate."

    Em,Link please? I never read that before, and hard to believe that would Be Likely..

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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
    I never read that before, and hard to believe that would Be Likely..
    That is exactly what is wrong about this whole thing. You never get to read the relevant stuff, just the scare messages.

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    You're taking it too far Adrian. Yes the pharmacuetical companies are scaring everyone to sell their cholesterol drugs and making it out to be more than it is, but high cholesterol is a risk factor for heart disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    You're taking it too far Adrian. Yes the pharmacuetical companies are scaring everyone to sell their cholesterol drugs and making it out to be more than it is, but high cholesterol is a risk factor for heart disease.
    I am not saying this is a conspiracy, mind you. Nobody planned it this way. It is just that the whole obesity scam is so convenient to many parties involved with health, education, parenting, dieting, etcetera.

    And no, there is no connection between high cholesterol blood level and risk of heart disease.

    People with low cholesterol blood level, on the other hand, die young. This may be due to all sorts of factors. Nonetheless the Framingham study, the largest longitudinal study in the world which has been running from 1948 and is being continued until this day at Boston University, shows that low blood levels of cholesterol may be the real killer: '‘There is a direct association between falling cholesterol levels over the first 14 years of the study and mortality over the following 18 years."

    I'm having eggs and bacon on well-buttered toast tomorrow morning. It may not help much, but it won't do me any harm.
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