U.S. children showing hardening of arteries

[Adrian II]

Exactly what I was trying to get at a few weeks ago in one of these Americans r fffat threads. Now I have a Dutch journalist and a French intellectual who agree!

Did you notice that the Americans-'R'-Fat notion is a favourite theme of anti-Americanism the world over, capitalising on the supposed symbolism of U.S. imperialism and parables about the ugly American 'guzzling' the world's riches?

Of course you did.

When trans fats are mentioned, Iraq and Kyoto are never far away.

*lights another fag*

[CrossLOPER]

Did you notice that the Americans-'R'-Fat notion is a favourite theme of anti-Americanism the world over, capitalising on the supposed symbolism of U.S. imperialism and parables about the ugly American 'guzzling' the world's riches?

Of course you did.

When trans fats are mentioned, Iraq and Kyoto are never far away.

*lights another fag*

To be fair, the US has the largest percentage of obese people in the world, followed by Mexico, the UK, and a bunch of other western nations. Japan is twenty-seventh on the list. What deep, dark, corner of an arse you picked out Iraq is beyond me.

[Proletariat]

What deep, dark, corner of an arse you picked out Iraq is beyond me.

Pretty sure it was a reference to anti-Americanism, the Kyoto reference had to do with perceptions of America, not how fat the Japanese are.

[CrossLOPER]

Pretty sure it was a reference to anti-Americanism, the Kyoto reference had to do with perceptions of America, not how fat the Japanese are.

So stating an opinion based on clear valid data is anti-American?

I understand where Adrian is coming from, but the approach is flawed in itself.

[Proletariat]

So stating an opinion based on clear valid data is anti-American?

One of us is misunderstanding here... What clear valid data are you talking about? I thought we were on hyperbolic reactions.

[Devastatin Dave]

So stating an opinion based on clear valid data is anti-American?

I understand where Adrian is coming from, but the approach is flawed in itself.

Dude, you haven't been here long. If you're getting flack from Adrian about anti-Americanism, then its gotta be true!!!

[Proletariat]

Dude, you haven't been here long. If you're getting flack from Adrian about anti-Americanism, then its gotta be true!!!

Ack!! Don't make this more confusing, you trouble maker!



Agree or disagree with the issues themselves, it makes no difference. Kyoto and Iraq and obesity are all tied in with anti-Americanism.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be hopping into my Prius hybrid, wearing my AQ-certified-explosive-vest and I'll make certain to pack enough Twinkies and Big Macs to last my whole final car trip!

[Adrian II]

So stating an opinion based on clear valid data is anti-American?

So far I have been the one providing clear valid data.

You said that having low cholesterol is more likely to kill me that having high cholesterol, which according to you will not harm me at all. While having low cholesterol may end up making you sick, having unacceptably high cholesterol will also make you very ill. Why in the world you think hyperlipidemia (which is the main problem associated with hypercholesterolemia) has nothing to do with high cholesterol is beyond me.

You are confusing things.

You were talking about snacks and related food. Cholesterol intake does not alter the level of cholesterol in your blood one way or the other.

The Framington study:

"In Framingham, Massachusetts, the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower people's serum cholesterol...we found that the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories weighed the least and were the most physically active. Total cholesterol has pretty much outlived its usefulness as a way to predict heart disease and follow its progression." Dr William Castelli 1992 (Director of the Framingham study) in the [i[Journal of the American Medical Association[/i] No 257: (16), pages 2176-80, 1987.

Of course there may be an association between some form of cholesterol and heart disease, but as we know correlation does not equal causation.

A study by the Women's Health Initiative into the health effects of low fat diets in 50.000 women has just been concluded, and cholesterol . According to their site: "To study the effect of the WHI low-fat dietary pattern on heart disease, researchers looked at how many participants had coronary heart disease (heart attack or death from heart disease). They found that the low-fat dietary pattern did not reduce the risk of heart disease, although the intervention was not designed specifically to reduce heart disease."

[CrossLOPER]

The Framington study:

"In Framingham, Massachusetts, the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower people's serum cholesterol...we found that the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories weighed the least and were the most physically active. Total cholesterol has pretty much outlived its usefulness as a way to predict heart disease and follow its progression." Dr William Castelli 1992 (Director of the Framingham study) in the [i[Journal of the American Medical Association[/i] No 257: (16), pages 2176-80, 1987.

Of course there may be an association between some form of cholesterol and heart disease, but as we know correlation does not equal causation.

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What I perceive as a backward study will be countered with what you will perceive as a backwards study.Here you go. Linky.

Now here's the point. Once you've eaten something, it's not going away on its own. It has to have a reason to go. Sitting around eating salad alone will not undo all those years of trauma you put your poor, putrid body through.

NOTE: If this is another one of those threads where I end up arguing with a senior member about who would look better in a dress, I'm leaving.

[Xiahou]

I think the message here is that instead of stressing out about every gram of fat ect in your food, eat what you want, eat sensible portions and get off your ass and exercise once in awhile.

[BigTex]

What's so hard to grasp about cholestoral intake not being linked to amount in your bloodstream? Cholestoral is produced inside the body. Also those with low cholestoral over all have lower HDL also, which has been proven to help prevent heart attacks.

Although Adrian I'm sure you wouldnt mind linking a portion of the study pertaining to individuals who ate alot of sat. fat but had little exercise..... Almost every study in the world will tell you that increased body fat % increases your risk of a heart attack. One of the things that contain the most calories is sat./trans fat. Sat fat and heart attacks arent linked directly but there most assuredly is a bit of a path between the two.

As for fat kids, yes it is indeed the parents fault. If they refuse to teach them proper diet's and don't force them to get some exercise. Then your going to end up with a fat child. Whats so sad now is so many parents are now afriad to let their kids play around their neighborhood. It's seems fear mongering of pedo's and violence has finally assisted in the rise of obese children.

I think the message here is that instead of stressing out about every gram of fat ect in your food, eat what you want, eat sensible portions and get off your ass and exercise once in awhile.

Yes, 100% correct. Exercise is by far the most important thing you can do in your day. Something children should be taught from a young age.

NOTE: If this is another one of those threads where I end up arguing with a senior member about who would look better in a dress, I'm leaving.

I'm definately going to have to say Devastatin Dave would.

[Adrian II]

What I perceive as a backward study will be countered with what you will perceive as a backwards study.Here you go. Linky

That is not a study, it is a link to the American Heart Association. And the AHA does not engage in research.

Now here's the point. Once you've eaten something, it's not going away on its own. It has to have a reason to go. Sitting around eating salad alone will not undo all those years of trauma you put your poor, putrid body through.

Ah yes, exercise is good for you. Nobody denies that. As Castelli pointed out, the Framingtonians with the highest cholesterol intake were also the most active and energetic.

NOTE: If this is another one of those threads where I end up arguing with a senior member about who would look better in a dress, I'm leaving.

You are beautiful when you are angry.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

So far I have been the one providing clear valid data.You are confusing things.

You were talking about snacks and related food. Cholesterol intake does not alter the level of cholesterol in your blood one way or the other.

The Framington study:

"In Framingham, Massachusetts, the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower people's serum cholesterol...we found that the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories weighed the least and were the most physically active. Total cholesterol has pretty much outlived its usefulness as a way to predict heart disease and follow its progression." Dr William Castelli 1992 (Director of the Framingham study) in the [i[Journal of the American Medical Association[/i] No 257: (16), pages 2176-80, 1987.

Of course there may be an association between some form of cholesterol and heart disease, but as we know correlation does not equal causation.

A study by the Women's Health Initiative into the health effects of low fat diets in 50.000 women has just been concluded, and cholesterol . According to their site: "To study the effect of the WHI low-fat dietary pattern on heart disease, researchers looked at how many participants had coronary heart disease (heart attack or death from heart disease). They found that the low-fat dietary pattern did not reduce the risk of heart disease, although the intervention was not designed specifically to reduce heart disease."

"So far I have been the one providing clear valid data.You are confusing things. "

So Far, Yes, but no Links you been Providing Us. I still like to view this information myself thank you very much.




Exercise is good for you,no matter how Fat or whatnot you are..

[Adrian II]

So Far, Yes, but no Links you been Providing Us. I still like to view this information myself thank you very much.

I referred you to the MRFIT-trials, the Framington study, the Womens' Health Initiative. But I don't play the wiki-game any more, sorry, there is too much fuzzy nonsense on the Web. Important sources (such as medical journals or specific books) are not online or accessible only to subscribers, so you will have to go to a library to access them.

EDIT
If you can find them, there is an excellent series by Science magazine correspondent Gary Taubes (written in 2000 or thereabout) on the psueudo-science behind low fat and low salt dieting.

[Proletariat]

Did you notice that the Americans-'R'-Fat notion is a favourite theme of anti-Americanism the world over, capitalising on the supposed symbolism of U.S. imperialism and parables about the ugly American 'guzzling' the world's riches?

Of course you did.

When trans fats are mentioned, Iraq and Kyoto are never far away.

*lights another fag*

I certainly did, but it was the marketing aspects that really sank it home for me. I had my cousin over from Sydney and listening to how shocked she was at how many commercials we have on TV that are aimed at weight loss. No other country has such a huge fast food industry, and a weight loss industry that feeds directly off it. Weight loss of course is the higher leveraged of the two since their claims are loosely backed up by medical opinions so their claims don't look half as foolish as they really are. So what the hell should we do? How about we skew the BMI once again and get a whole new lot into the gyms and hooked on diet shakes

Why aren't any of the people in disbelief about this challenging AdrianII's statement about American life expectancy going up every single generation?

*puffs lazy smoke rings*