Inquisitors - problems & solutions (was Crusading when I meet inquisitor)

[ZombieFriedNuts]

I was on a crusade to Jerusalem happily going through France when a met an over zealous inquisition, I thought o I should be alright I’m on a crusade, but no the inquisitor burns my faction hair at the stake leaving my crusading army to desert completely when they have no one to guide them to the holy land.

[Fondor_Yards]

And that is why it's good to be a muslim or eastern orthodox faction :P.

But wow inquisitions seem to be a major pain. Another reason to keep a few spys ahead of your crusader armies so you can avoid problems like that.

[Comrade Alexeo]

Ahahahahahahaha!

Perhaps the Inquisitor deemed that your faction heir was unworthy of leading a crusade?

[Bob the Insane]

With so many reports this has to be some kind of issue, but it is funny though...

Maybe he thought you where not pious enough to lead such an endevour...

Or may fovourite is that he was under order from the Pope to ensure your faction did not win the Crusade!!

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Exactly the same thing happened to me. It's pretty ridiculous, especially since it's not your fault that the inquisitor is in the territories you're passing through.

[Ignoramus]

This is concerning. It sounds like inquisitors are just low-born cutthroats. It is just beyond reason. The Pope says if you go on a Crusade you are absolved from all sin, but then this inquisitor comes along and burns you at the stake for being a "heretic".

[Sheogorath]

Ive gotten inquisitors in my land just from happening to be NEXT to another faction which was misbehaving, they burned three generals and a faction heir before I gave up and simply moved all my generals back to England.
This requires fixing! I prefered the original MTW where the inquisitors only burned the population :P

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

It wouldn't be so much of a problem if assassins weren't extremely ineffective.

[Sheogorath]

If assassins worked there wouldnt be any inquisitors at all on my campaign map.

[Zoltan]

Lol, I had the same problem with my french crusade leader too. Now these inquisitors are really doing a fat lot of good to help the church's cause are they!

[Fondor_Yards]

Pope: So how's the 2nd Crusade doing?

Minon: Ehh not too bad...except for 1 minor problem.

Pope: Oh?

Minon: Well you see...there was this crazy inquisitor guy down in Hungry....and he killed all the crusader leaders, so their armies disbanned. So yea...

Pope: *sighs and rubs his temples* Looks like we are breaking out the 3rd Crusade a bit early than planned...

[Hatchet]

Why are the assasins so inneficient?

[Zoltan]

Saves them the effort of doing an "assassination succes" video.

I think they wanted avoid the game getting a mature rating for that video too, but taking out the assasins altogether would anger the fanboys, so they settled on making them always fail instead.

[Hatchet]

I'm not sure you understood what I said, what I meant was do these assasins how low chances of assasinating someone? Have you tried with a high powered assassin? I mean CA bragged about the ability to kill the Pope/Cardinals, but how can you do that when you cant even kill an Inquisitor?

[AlJabberwock]

THEY don't have a COMFY PILLOW!!!!!!!!

[Zoltan]

Hey hatchet,

Sorry, I quite understood, what you said, just making a joke. Well, half-joke actually because I have yet to see an assassin kill anything despite about a dozen attempts. I guess I should train them on my own diplomats before sending them on a real mission. I have a couple of guys whose dismal attemps at diplomacy has taken their value well into the negatives. Should be good practice for a fledgling cutthroat.

Or I could do what I used to do in MTW before trying to take out the pope : build a few dozens assasin, then make them kill each other util only the few strongest remain. Radical.

[Subedei]

I think the assasin system works better then most round here think.

1. Assasins get away more often after a failed attempt compared to other TW games .
2. I don´t have one yet, but I guess the a assasin-guild [there is one, right?] in one of your towns should increase kill ratio.
3. I think it is fun to hunt inquisitors with your best assasin....or merchants...or generals...well, i use them quiet often in this game.Yesterday I broke a tabu: killed a princess with a snake...I felt bad.....

[Daveybaby]

He burned your factions hair? So are all of your soldiers bald now?

[Zoltan]

Duh, I just read you can't have your own people assassinated. Bah. Guess total war has lost some of it's old totalitarian feel. Maybe they'll make up for it in the next episode : Democratic Popular Republic : Total War. With re-education camps for failed spies and diplomats, and princess cloning labs.

Anyway, I'll see if I can get that assassin's guild by churning out a lot of assasins in one of my towns.

[Zanderpants]

He burned your factions hair? So are all of your soldiers bald now?

yuck yuck yuck

[46852]

I think the assasin system works better then most round here think.

1. Assasins get away more often after a failed attempt compared to other TW games .
2. I don´t have one yet, but I guess the a assasin-guild [there is one, right?] in one of your towns should increase kill ratio.
3. I think it is fun to hunt inquisitors with your best assasin....or merchants...or generals...well, i use them quiet often in this game.Yesterday I broke a tabu: killed a princess with a snake...I felt bad.....

I think the assassin system ain't too shabby either. If the percentages were higher, the map would be void of any interesting opposition: inquisitors, heretics, witches, foreign generals etc.

I'm quite sure the Thieve's Guild doesn't increase spies' and assassin's chances to execute missions, it only increases the chances of recruiting a more skilled assassin in the city where the guild is located. Not 100% guaranteed on this, but I think that's the way it works (I've had the game for a week now, but not tested it enough to be sure).

Good way to train an assassin is to sneak a spy into a city so you can see all the buildings built in there, and after that send an assassin to sabotage the easiest building in the city (I think success chances are around 20-33% for a level 0 assasssin). He gains agent skill by increasing his sabotage trait after a succesfull fireworks show. After he's gained a bit rank, go hunt rebel captains to increase your killer trait and when you feel confident enough go for the big fishes :)

In my English campaign, I was lucky to get Thieve's Guild in London quite fast, and immediately after that I trained a super assassin: Natural Born Killer and Dancer in retinue, level 5 agent right at the start!

[Zanderpants]

Duh, I just read you can't have your own people assassinated. Bah. Guess total war has lost some of it's old totalitarian feel. Maybe they'll make up for it in the next episode : Democratic Popular Republic : Total War. With re-education camps for failed spies and diplomats, and princess cloning labs.

Anyway, I'll see if I can get that assassin's guild by churning out a lot of assasins in one of my towns.

Sorry for the double post but that's an interesting idea for future total wars, albeit kinda drifting towards civ-dom: governments and ideologies. I'd love to lead a Totalitarian Socialist Frace over the whole of Europe in any age!

[Djurre]

Having the same problem. English crusade full of elites on its way to Antioch, all got disbanded at the hands catholic hypocrisy.

I did have one effective assasin, when playing as the french, he had full subterfuge, but is still no match for a decent inquisitor. they need to patch this right away.

[46852]

Having the same problem. English crusade full of elites on its way to Antioch, all got disbanded at the hands catholic hypocrisy.

I did have one effective assasin, when playing as the french, he had full subterfuge, but is still no match for a decent inquisitor. they need to patch this right away.

What piety level was the Inquisitor and what was the chance for the assassin to kill him?

[Ignoramus]

Nobody ever expects the Spanish Inquisition! Confess! Confess! Bring me the soft cushions!

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

I have to say that I am finding Inqusitors a major issue.

My biggest complaint being that I cannot understand their actions:

I have great relations with the Pope.
I have top-level (for the citie/castle) churches.
Maximum Priest.
No heresey, no heretics in my provinces or in visible adjacent ones.
Most of my heirs are pious.

Yet the inquisitor still burns them.

Inquisitors also burned my crusading leader - despite him having a piety of 5 and a load of accompanying priests.

IN one turn Inquisitors burned 2 family members and a priest - what was interesting there was that this was literally the first turn for those characters, none of whom had any "bad" traits at all.

I now have an Inquisitor parked outside of remmes: whenever I make a priest and move it out of the city the Inquistor kills it, every time, irrespective of piety.

I succeeded with a crusade - my reputation with the Pope went down and still the Inqusitors burn my priests.

I "cheated" (load/relaod) an Assassin to master +5, with 3 extra entourage and sub rating close to max - took him to kill a low-level Inquistor and the chance to succeed was %12.

A "Maxed" assassin v low level Inquisitor and he didnt stand a chance... and how hard is it to get a maxed assassin without cheating!!??




So, No - Im not happy with Inquisitors, especially due to their inexplicable actions against pious priest, characters and crusaders.

If there was some rhyme or reason to their actions Iwould be less bothered, OR if assassins actually stood a chance there would be some way to counter them effectively - then fine.
As it stands now though I am finding that really dont want to play the campaign any longer as, other than in the UK where there are no Inquisitors atm, whenever I move an agent or character out of a city it seems they get burned alive.

I mean, take the priests, brand new, no negatives, first move in the game - how the hell did they do anything wrong?!! (Especially given the relation ship with the pope and abscence of heresy etc)

(h/vh/eng)

[Mahrabals apprentice]

Same problem here.
Playing as Venice on M/M
I am the Popes joint first favourite faction (with 1 cross off the maximum). Anything he asks of me I do. I have 2 cardinals in the college and wille asily get a 3rd when someone else dies becasue all my Priests are sent off the Byzantine lands to spread the faith, and earning Piety fast. Churches are very high on my building priorities.
Milan get excommunicated. I declare war. I send a large stack to siege Milan and a smaller one to siege Genoa. Then the Inquisitors dispatched by the Pope to deal with the excommunicated Milanesse decide to burn the generals of both my armies from Uber-Catholic Venice who are forfilling the Popes wishes by destroying Catholesisms enemies.
Why?
Just tell me why?

Inquisitors are a menace to every faction no matter what you do it seems.

EDIT: spelling

[46852]

I "cheated" (load/relaod) an Assassin to master +5, with 3 extra entourage and sub rating close to max - took him to kill a low-level Inquistor and the chance to succeed was %12.

A "Maxed" assassin v low level Inquisitor and he didnt stand a chance... and how hard is it to get a maxed assassin without cheating!!??

Ouch... If the chance is really that low, assassin kill success% really should be raised a bit. I didn't expect it to be that low on high level agents!

It should be lowish on level 0 agents, but should be around 80% on a level 10 agent vs level 0-2 scenario imo. Well, maybe the success% shouldn't be that high, but the chances of getting caught should be very low for a high level assassin.

[urbancohort]

Agree with what is being said here. Am playing as the Venetians atm and have lost 3 family members and 2 priests in 7 turns. I now only have 2 family members left one being my king

There seems to be no reasons why the inquisitor picks out the charachters for "burning" aside from the peity rating, but how are you supposed to move your people around if they keep getting burned.....very annoying. Relations with the pope are good, only faction i'm at war with are the Milanese and they attacked first !!! Will not play as the Venetians again

[Fridgebadger]

Agree with everything said here - except someone said a good way of grooming assasins is doing easy sabotage missions. I've done a load, and have never had an assasin's trait go up after a succesful bit of sabotage...