Inquisitors - problems & solutions (was Crusading when I meet inquisitor)

**Mr Frost** · 11-18-2006, 10:56

The idea of an Inquisitor executing a prince of a powerful faction is ahistorical nonsense , let alone the King himself !
There may have been the rare exception in very unusual circumstances , however Kings and Princes led armies of very violent men and generally killed those who threatened them at the earliest convienience .
An inquisitor whom tried to condem and execute a King at the head of his crusading army would have been made a very interesting footnote in history as a madman who made a mistake of biblical proportions :P

Historically the Popes' only real weapon against Kings and Princes was excommunication and diplomacy {playing Nobles off against each other} . Had the various orders of inquisition targeted royals with anything approaching regularity those orders would have been wiped out rather fast and the Papalcy would have lost what influence it had {and soon thereafter its' very existance as Kings of powerful nations decided they were better off without it} .

The inquisition orders targeted "civilians" .
Catholic Preists in even remotely good standing were nearly immune and a full Cardinal was untouchable {only the Pope can really judge them} . For an inquisition to start burning catholic preists would be to defy the Pope and that would have resulted in the inquisitors being stripped of possition and likely , flesh too . A member of the Catholic preisthood had to screw up pretty bad to be fair game for inquisitors .

Inquisitors need serious redesign in the game . I'm thinking of modding them out completely .

**Zenicetus** · 11-18-2006, 20:56

Originally Posted by Mr Frost

The idea of an Inquisitor executing a prince of a powerful faction is ahistorical nonsense , let alone the King himself !
There may have been the rare exception in very unusual circumstances , however Kings and Princes led armies of very violent men and generally killed those who threatened them at the earliest convienience .
An inquisitor whom tried to condem and execute a King at the head of his crusading army would have been made a very interesting footnote in history as a madman who made a mistake of biblical proportions :P

I agree, this whole "burn the heir" and "burn the general leading a crusade" stuff is silly. This can't be an intentional game design... more likely a bug in the targeting script for the campaign AI.

I don't have the game yet (should arrive next Tues.), but I'm thinking of playing non-Catholic factions to avoid this nonsense until a patch is released.

The inquisition orders targeted "civilians" .
Catholic Preists in even remotely good standing were nearly immune and a full Cardinal was untouchable {only the Pope can really judge them} . For an inquisition to start burning catholic preists would be to defy the Pope and that would have resulted in the inquisitors being stripped of possition and likely , flesh too . A member of the Catholic preisthood had to screw up pretty bad to be fair game for inquisitors .

Well, it did happen when a priest p.o.'d the higher-ups badly enough (look up "Urbain Grandier" on wikipedia), but not often. Maybe the CA devs have been watching too many Ken Russell movies.

**Mahrabals apprentice** · 11-18-2006, 21:52

Originally Posted by Zenicetus

look up "Urbain Grandier" on wikipedia

I looked this up on wikipedia and, as usual, that led me to look up many related topics. I eventually typed in crusades and saw this article on them.

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this has happend twice but now crusades takes me to a proper article.

**Rameusb5** · 11-27-2006, 20:23

It seems obvious to me that the inquisitors are bugged, and in a big way. GrandInquisitor's (nice name BTW) story proves that without a doubt.

Firstly, they're successful way too often. Secondly, they target individuals they should not be able to (such as spies hidden inside a town).

Part of the problem is that MTW2 only tracks family members. In the old game, any free standing army had a character. Not any more.

I'm not convinced that your standing with the pope will fix this issue. I have near perfect standing (one of my cardinals IS the pope), and one still came along and burned my KING.

The sad part is, a few hours of playtesting should have shown this. How did CA miss this? I can't possibly believe they are behaving as intended.

**Quillan** · 11-27-2006, 20:37

I've come to the conclusion that the Inquisition is not bugged, rather we're just misunderstanding the implementation. In history, the Inquisition was formed to root out heresy and witchcraft. In M2TW, the Inquisition is formed for the Pope to get even with people he doesn't like.

I'm now 90 some turns into my Spanish campaign. When I decided to play a catholic faction (I modded the game files and played Byzantium first, no dealings with the Pope there), I read a lot on this forum about the people's problems with Inquisitors and solutions. In those 90-100 turns, I've seen exactly ONE Inquisitor in my lands, and he was just passing through Toulouse on his way to Bordeaux, still held by the (at the time excommunicated) French.

Is this luck? Possibly, but I don't think so. Basically, the solution seems to be keeping your Pope-o-meter higher than anyone else. I've taken the time (and spent the money) to keep mine between 8 and 10. It's always either max, or higher than the next closest. I see a lot of inquisitors in the lands of the factions whose Papal standings are low. Park a diplomat outside Rome. Gift them money every so often. It usually takes me about 500 florins to raise it a point. 1000 florins normally raises 2 points. I have to do this every 10 turns or so, unless something else happens that changes it.