Weak cavalry? it does not work both ways.

[Basileus]

I lose alot of infantry against Cav and its vice verca when its the opposite thing, so im starting to wonder if im using my inf the wrong way or something. I dont have a hard time winning battles though ive lost once and i was outnumbered by 400 troops and i always play on VH.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Was your infantry formed up when being charged?

[BigTex]

One of the things is you should never ever counter charge the cavalry. Stand your infantry and have them guard. Let the cavalry stall out you'll be able to slaughter them en mass. Counter charging cavalry with infantry will always mean a loss for the infantry.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Counter charging cavalry with infantry will always mean a loss for the infantry.

Hmm, interesting statement - possibly just down to interpretation of comment though:

I tend to do just that with spear units (counter charge) and it works remarkably well for the infantry - you just have to make sure you get the timing right.

I suspect therefore that we are looking at two different instances - if you hit the cavalry "before they actually charge" (i.e. before the charge bonus kicks in) you may well win. If you hit them "as they have charged", you will lose.

Wouldn't try it with non spear units mind you

[BigTex]

Hmm, interesting statement - possibly just down to interpretation of comment though:

I tend to do just that with spear units (counter charge) and it works remarkably well for the infantry - you just have to make sure you get the timing right.

I suspect therefore that we are looking at two different instances - if you hit the cavalry "before they actually charge" (i.e. before the charge bonus kicks in) you may well win. If you hit them "as they have charged", you will lose.

Wouldn't try it with non spear units mind you

Indeed if you hit still cavalry with infantry the cav is slaughtered. Thats basicly my point, counter charging a charging cavalry unit with infantry is suicide. Most of your ranks are broken so alot of times the cavalry can ride through it, completely decimating you. The trick is to use guard mode and let them charge and come to a halt. Once they've halted disable guard and double right click to attack them.

[Daveybaby]

One of the things is you should never ever counter charge the cavalry. Stand your infantry and have them guard. Let the cavalry stall out you'll be able to slaughter them en mass. Counter charging cavalry with infantry will always mean a loss for the infantry.

Unless your infantry are billmen.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

The AI can charge horses so they *always* get the charge bonuses.

Human controlled (AI) doesn't charge properly: so the majority of the time you dont get the benefit of the charge bonus, nor do you get all the unit (front rank +) actually engaging.

I understand that this is due for a fix in the upcoming patch.

I've variously gotten around this by charging the horse at the unit behind the intended target, running them fast into units and so forth - you cant miss when the charge bonus kicks in as they stomp the foe mightily. When it doesn't they are rather ineffective indeed.

[Daveybaby]

The AI can charge horses so they *always* get the charge bonuses.

Human controlled (AI) doesn't charge properly: so the majority of the time you dont get the benefit of the charge bonus, nor do you get all the unit (front rank +) actually engaging.

I understand that this is due for a fix in the upcoming patch

In order to get a good charge going:

(1) you need to have a decent sized gap between your cav and your target

(2) Stop your cav to let them form up if need be (i.e. if youve had them running around).

(3) Target your enemy, but WALK DONT RUN. If you run your charge will lose cohesion

(4) Leave em to it. At the correct distance your cav will break into a charge.


If youre defending against elite heavy cav or bodyguards with normal (i.e. non-spear etc) infantry then expect to get slaughtered. This is as it should be.

Use spearmen and ensure theyre in guard mode, in formation, and NOT MOVING.