MMOTW: An Idea for a MP campaign....

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Uhmm... A game doesn't have to be or play exactly like Warcraft 3 or C&C to be considered an RTS. Do some reading, you'll find that it universally falls into the strategy/RTS category. And for the record:

1. "Basebuilding/resourcecollecting" is far from mindless, as the experienced "traditional" RTS players will tell you. Good defenses and smart resource management are integral to being competitive, cpu or multiplayer. And for the record, what do you call the city management in the TW series? Or obtaining/spending the financial "resource?" No it's not the exact same as "collecting" it on a RTS map, but it's conceptually identical.

When resource collecting and troop reqruiting is done at the same timescale as the battles the whole thing disendegrades into who is faster with the click and has better memorised the shortcuts and building orders (the order in which the buildings are built)....

2. What was the last RTS you played? Almost every traditional RTS since 2000 has included variable cameras. And also for the record, the campaign map in the TW series is only zoomable.

3. You're dead wrong here. Both the campaign map and battle map in the TW series use shortcut commands, use of these by experienced players is far superior to clickclickclickclick.

There are NO RTS games out (except TW) that you can see the sun and the sky....with an FPS camera and controls (WASD etc)...
Also at the campaignmap level there are no troops and the whole thing is turn based I was speaking mainly about the MP battles...
A pathetic example are the AoX series where flanking, morale, fatigue and all the realistic tactical parameters are absent, people have a name for that and thats : dumbed down.
The scale is pathetic at best (an "army" of 50 soldiers lol and before you say that TW has 20 units every man in the TW games has his attack, defence, morale, experience and fatigue calculated) and the whole green liquid hitpoints system is laughable at best....

While true, you're drastically overestimating the problem of piracy. Yes it's a problem, but it's not near as bad as you make it out to be, there've been a number of studies on this done by non-biased research firms. Secondly, pirates can't play multiplayer, period, which you seem to be harping on big time. I'm not going to respond to the rest of that bit.

Thats my whole point, you know what? Guess what version of World of Warcraft russian pirates are playing? The ORIGINAL.... Why is that happening? Do they have an original M2TW copy? I really doubt it...
The revenew of piracy resistant games proves my point....And last the actual problem with piracy isnt its existance in Eastern Europe/Asia its the piracy in rich countries that hurts the PC gaming industry...and if some games can make pirates buy them they are doing something right...

Sorry to be rude here, but you fail miserably. ME (me including players in general) spending more of MY cash is NOT a positive aspect for the gamer. Unless you happen to enjoy simply giving your hard-earned money to people, that is.

Sorry to be rude here too but you see youre not the one making the games and my point is mainly directed to the publishers that decide things (not the developers as its popularly believed)....
Im giving my hard earned money to hard working people for the goods that they worked hard to produce...and currently their hard work is not getting the deserved payment because its available for free...

That's your opinion. Not all of us prefer the multiplayer experience, and I'm going to ignore any unsupported *opinions* presented as fact as to why this is. In general, multiplayer is more popular than single player, hence games like the Battlefield series, etc. However witness games such as the Elder Scrolls series. Hugely popular but single player only.

Still why do you think Oblivion was made primarly with Xbox360 in mind? And the PC version got the shaft with bad optimisation? Isnt it because in rich countries its hard to impossible to find a modchip? Isnt it because the console market isnt that tech savy and wont risk to break a €400 machine by chipping it? Compare the Oblivion PC and Xbox360 sales and youll get the picture...
As for my "unsupported *opinions*" just survey these very forums and youll see:
-"Ive besieged them to the last city, offered them all their cities back plus 100000 cash and they still wont accept a ceasefire"
-"The "AI" stood there being shot to death and Ive won with 1:10 amount of troops ratio"
-"The Pope excommunicated me for defending my lands"
-"The "AI" doesnt man its cities and Im taking them easily"

Opinion, but fair enough as you present it this way.

Yours is opinion too if you didnt notice...

The people who whine in general about the AI not being up to par after a number of patches are going to be sorely disappointed for years to come. The hardware and technology we have now are just not capable of giving the capable human mind a challenge. Note this is why the computer "cheats" on VH in RTW, including moral boosts and significant cash bonuses. AI is a developing area and will improve over time. Also it should be stated that there are many of us who are simply not "gods" at this game, and find the playability on normal difficulties to be fine. Sure the computer is going to make some stupid mistakes, but it's a programmed entity. See preceding bit of the paragraph.

Youre simply proving my point...There NEVER will be a challenging PO...At least not in our lifetime...
I really wonder how on earth the interaction with a bunch of cables and plastic can be better than a clan siege or a counterraid to the Mongol Invasion with 8 players vs the mongol horde....
Why do you think WoW has dominated the gaming market? If it was single player (like oblivion or even Diablo) would it have got same amount AND casual people playing it? And I must stress out that I not very fond of RPG games due to the same boring elves/orks fantasy setup....

You're blowing this way out of proportion. See my text above.

Warcaft 3
WoW
Lineage 2
Guild Wars
Would SEGA find it bad if it got the money of people that otherwise would never bought the game?

True but... So? How does this support your point? Multiplayer is fun, but like I said there are those of us who prefer a good single player experience.

Before the release of M2TW a decent part of the community made its highest priority the quality of the PO in assessing the overall quality of the game...
If youre satisfied with the current level of the game and with the interaction with a machine that doesnt mean that all of us feel the same...

Uhm.. I didn't see anything in here that makes sense that I can respond to, so.. OK.

I wouldnt be surprised if you tried WoW you would like it and play it....thats the power of socialisation and human interaction and thats the main reason why its succesful....