Unique traits?

[wlesmana]

Unless that can be defined for a specific character wouldn't that apply to all men within the family tree who become fathers for first time - possibly simultaneously? I think I understand your very neat timing thing that determines fatherhood 1 starts at birth reaches 2 at coming of age then trips to 3, therefore stops that father giving same trait again - but surely other 1st time fathers (brothers in the tree etc) then and later would still give Firstborn (fred_name) trait to their offspring as well?

If the guy who's going to have his first child already exists at the start of the campaign, you can just give him the trait in desc_strat.txt and not have a trigger for the trait. So he'd be the only one who'd get it.

The concern with ancillaries is that they can be transfered. If the epithet you're trying to achieve is triggered by an ancillary, even if it is unique, it can still be transfered to others to trigger the same thing.

[Makanyane]

-apocalypsis- thanks for tip on I_TurnNumber condition I'd not spotted that, that could be used - could well help..

wlesmana

If the guy who's going to have his first child already exists at the start of the campaign, you can just give him the trait in desc_strat.txt and not have a trigger for the trait. So he'd be the only one who'd get it.

That would fit with my first idea that the child would be in strat, I would just need to test what happens if dad dies before the child is born.... however now I think I can do it I'm starting to like the idea of it being a random birth!

I'd realised that the flaw with using an ancillary was that it would normally be movable, that was why I was proposing the other three mutually exclusive ancillaries (last one triggered at 100%)

Every general in that culture will have to have one of them if they haven't got the Fred ancillary

you can't seem to transfer an ancillary onto a general that already has either one of the same, or has an existing ancillary that Excludes the one you're trying to move. I've got to re-do most of the traits / ancillaries for this faction so I can make the ones that are blocking the transfer into something useful.
I've tested that I can definitely get one of the four ancillaries to apply to each general that comes of age - I just need to cover adoption / marriage, I need to test that those events can trigger the other three ancillaries...

[Makanyane]

you can't seem to transfer an ancillary onto a general that already has either one of the same, or has an existing ancillary that Excludes the one you're trying to move.

Oh Bahhh, I seem to be wrong again! That appeared to work in testing for the first ancillaries I put in, that were either specified in descr_strat or acquired at coming of age.

Have just tried same principal on some further ancillaries to be acquired on next turn / later and those seem to be moveable despite having same ExcludedAncillaries
line as the first set!

EDIT, EDIT: Principle is right, I was just being thick, the 2nd lot of ancillaries have only got a one way exclusion so A excludes B, but B doesn't exclude A (and can't as it would give me more than three ExcludedAncillaries and CTD!) the reciprocal exclusion is what is needed to stop them being put on same character.