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    Default Re: Cav way too powerful

    Ok let me state that I'm not a nerf shouter or a cav hater but something isnt right now, and I think it has to do with the spearmens staying power or the massive charge bonus.
    I have made some 1-1 unit tests and these are my findings.

    First of all it is of reason that the deeper the spearmens formation and coision the better they will withstand a charge and fight right?
    Well wrong buddy, very wrong at least in my tests, I will follow with a detailed resume of them now:

    I made two tests, the first with the most basic of cav and spear units.
    Militia spearmen 310 gold against hobilars 280 gold

    in schiltrom formation they mostly always loose, like 80-90% of the time.
    Ok I will say that schiltrom seems slightly, but just slightly better than the normal ranking formations, but you still loose.

    now formations dont seem to matter much. 4 line deep, square formation,long spread out lines, marching lines, nada.supriseling I found out that sometimes they would do better in the most odd 2 men deep thin lines than in a square formation!
    Hold doesnt seem to matter either.

    Now the mad part.
    If I put my men in loose formation!!!
    I would fair allot better!thats correct better results.
    more noticeable in the 2nd test up ahead.

    2nd test:
    Now I choose a good spearmen unit.
    Lalmilar(or Lamilond, don't remember) 580 gold unit against merchant cav 370 gold unit.
    The results:
    I put them in Schiltrom and still loose!!!!!!
    Now we are talking about a much better, expensive cav bonnus unit in an anti cav formation and they still loose!!

    ok I then try them in an 4 man deep and then square formation and still loose.
    When I change to loose formation, Bam, much better results and mostly win.

    I will now say, that I except that a person can argue that the test are not 100%
    correct because of the moral factor, captain factor and such, but I will mention that even in the cases that the captain died in the very end the results seem to indicate the same numbers.
    my spears would even fight until the last 5-8 men even after the general died in the first charge.

    So my conclusion seems that the cav charges seems too fair much better against tighter and denser formation which is something that seems contrary to popular belief but actually sounds logic because what seems to happen is that the charging cavalry will bang against a greater number of men and kill more men in the initial charge, leaving less to fight back.In the loose formation it seems to encounter less mess to charge against and so leaves more remaining men to fight against and do worse or loose, this is more apparent in the 2nd test were the spearmen had better overall stats.

    So if you want a better chance against cavalry charges dont rank your men deeply but rather spread them in an loose formation

    I ask that someone tries this out and see if they get the same results, just in case I'm seeing things.
    Last edited by RomoR; 11-17-2006 at 04:03.

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