MP units missing in SP campaigns (French dismounted units etc)

Now I am doing well in my french campaign but when I had a look into the custom battles, I saw that the French have dismounted french archers and dismounted chivalric knights there. However, in the campaign I have both mounted equivalents but cannot train the dismounted versions, next better archers after peasant archers are the scots guard.
I wonder whether this is intended and certain unit types are meant only for custom battles/MP or whether that is some sort of bug?

First off, I don’t have MTW2 yet. But if I recall correctly, the early era knights could not dismount in the original MTW. Could this be the issue?

Foot knights were never trainable as such as I remember it. They had to be dismounted before the battle.

You're right I havent been able to either. And they aren't listed with building the upgrades.

Dismounted French Archers seem a bit pointless if you have Aventurier
and the DSM Chivalric Knights have only 1 better Armour and Attack rating from what I can see.

Originally Posted by Husar

I wonder whether this is intended and certain unit types are meant only for custom battles/MP or whether that is some sort of bug?

I suspect it is intended - the English lack their MP armoured sergeants. It may be designed to increase diversity in the SP campaign, while allowing more balance in MP. If English have good spears and the French have commoner longbows, they start to look rather similar.

I've managed to get feudal foot knights as the French in their campaign...

Originally Posted by Randarkmaan

I've managed to get feudal foot knights as the French in their campaign...

I have them as well, and dismounted noble knights, but no dismounted chivalric knights.
But I was more curious about the archers, currently there is a huge gap between peasants and scots guard, but I guess it's intended then, you get quite a few crossbow units after all.

I havent played the French yet but the dismounted noble knights might be the "chivalric knights" dismounted. I've seen the spanish with dismounted chivalric knights so it isnt as though they arent in the campaign game. As for none of the dismounted mounted longbowmen. The french don't need more longbows, it would make the english and french armies so repeatative.

French knights, Noble knights, Lancers. They all cost the same (930)

French knights and noble knights have the same stats, but nobles are more expensive to maintain.
Lancers: same attack stats, 1 less in defense (but no shield), much more expensive to maintain.
Why would I bother with Lancers, and building the very expensive last Stables building ? Because they look cool ? yeah, because they look cool

Well thats really pissing me off. Why can you build "chivalric knights" if you´re not able to build their dismounted counterparts? All in all i experienced that my feudal foot knights are dooing much more better in melee than my dismounted nobles.( vs. spear and light armored infantry )
Does anybody know if it is possible to unlock these ones?

Originally Posted by Spendius

French knights, Noble knights, Lancers. They all cost the same (930)

French knights and noble knights have the same stats, but nobles are more expensive to maintain.
Lancers: same attack stats, 1 less in defense (but no shield), much more expensive to maintain.
Why would I bother with Lancers, and building the very expensive last Stables building ? Because they look cool ? yeah, because they look cool

Wrong.
You are looking at the stats as they are added up, but that may be misleading because lancers have more armour than the other two types.
I am not sure about armour in melee, but I would think that armour gives overall protection from missiles and attacks from every direction while shields give only directional protection and the third defense valua probably counts only for melee duels.
Thus lancers get more overall protection and should be able to stay alive longer.
If they use maces in stead of swords, they should get armour piercing on top of that, but since I haven't used them in a battle yet, I cannot tell.

Originally Posted by Zoroaster

Why can you build "chivalric knights" if you´re not able to build their dismounted counterparts?

Because raising dismounted knights would make no sense. You raise knights and dismount them when needed. The horse is part of the very definition, after all. It would be like raising archers without bows.

To widen this thread up, I am going to rename it to cover all "missing" units. I'd like to know if other factions are suffering from this as well as England and France.

Please list any unit you cannot recruit in SP that you can in MP.

So far we have:

England: Armoured sergeants + arquebusiers?

France: Dismounted chivalric knights + dismounted Franc archers

Any others?

by english armored sergeants, do you mean the english armored spearmen( same stats)? if the english cant train them, then they have no quality spearmen above levy spearmen, seems like a pretty bad disadvantage to me, since they have no pikes either, and the billmen and dismounted english knights dont absorb cav. charges too well.

this must be some kind of glitch, right?

Originally Posted by Nelson

Because raising dismounted knights would make no sense. You raise knights and dismount them when needed. The horse is part of the very definition, after all. It would be like raising archers without bows.

Well, in M2TW there is no dismount option, you can actually recruit dismounted units and they can never mount, knights also cannot dismount, they always stay mounted. I personally don't really mind that though.

And econ, good idea there though I have not yet finished my french campaign and thus cannot contribute any more to that yet.

Originally Posted by econ21

England: Armoured sergeants + arquebusiers?

France: Dismounted chivalric knights + dismounted Franc archers

Any others?

I think England gets the arquebusiers in a fortress with the most up to date 'barracks' building ... I hope anyway ... I can't build them yet but I'm sure I saw them in the building list (right clicked on the last 'barracks' building)

Originally Posted by chunkynut

I think England gets the arquebusiers in a fortress with the most up to date 'barracks' building ... I hope anyway ... I can't build them yet but I'm sure I saw them in the building list (right clicked on the last 'barracks' building)

The English get Arquebusiers. The pool doesn't show up in cities (IIRC)
till you end turn after the gun powder event.

Hi guys,

I have realised the same problem with Danes.

In single player there are no "mounted chilvaric knights" (the image below) with the armor which ressamble to one that wear gothic knights from Holy Roman Empire. I have been said that in multiplayer there are mounted chilvaric knights though I haven´t played multiplayer so far.



I have created a topic on this here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=73218

Hi guys,

does anyone know how to edit some of txt files in campaign to get the units which are avaible only in multiplayer?? :-(

Because I think that it is really sad, that we can not recruit units like mounted chilvaric knights etc.. And it seems to me that nobody cares about this.

I'm fairly sure you can train the french dismounted archers in your castles, after building the high level archery ranges...

Originally Posted by pevergreen

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umm that looks like a mercenary sergent spearmen unit, its not red and yellow enough to be english :P

Originally Posted by Rilder

umm that looks like a mercenary sergent spearmen unit, its not red and yellow enough to be english :P

I guess you're joking, but if you're not: yes, they are English Armoured Sergeants, it's just that they didn't adapt the "standard" image (the one french and HRE Sergeants use) for England as they didn't intend to have them available in the final campaign version. Should be possible to photoshop the image to make it equivalent to the other sergeant pics, though.

But no one cares that they ARE in the campaign?

Just so you know, I have an unmodded version, and I cant photoshop/mod or anything of the kind.

You have to bribe em, which is a pretty costly recruitment strategy. I'm still unsure as to whether the bribed unit can be retrained. If not, then it's totally nonviable.