They dont want to be US Citzens

[Strike For The South]

They want to remove us the aging white population. Its funny how an illegal immagration bill can spark this sort of stupidity. These people seem hell bent on taking something that isnt theres. That they had no help building. The only thing they do is take take take and now they want our country!!!!! My head is about to explode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIW-BZ8oLrk

[Red Peasant]

Err ... I thought you'd 'retired', lah.

[Strike For The South]

Err ... I thought you'd 'retired', lah.

I tried

[Red Peasant]

[Csargo]

Invisiblity eh. Nice try. I don't see the arguement with this one. So the Spanish take the land from the Indians. The Mexicans take it from the Spanish. The Texans have a revolution and take Texas from the Mexicans. Then the Americans have a war with Mexico and take all the other land from them besides Mexico itself. Now were supposed to give the land back to them? If they wanna look at it like that then they should give the land back to the Spanish.

[CrossLOPER]

Give it back to the Mongoloids that romped there in the last great ice age.

[GoreBag]

They want to remove us the aging white population.

You're part of the "aging, white population"?

[Blodrast]

You're part of the "aging, white population"?

Well, technically, we're all aging, aren't we?

[Kralizec]

This Aztlan movement is confusing to me. Do they claim some sort of cultural continuity with the Aztecs?

Even if that absurd notion would be true, California Texas etc are by no stretch part of the "Aztec" homeland.

[BigTex]

This Aztlan movement is confusing to me. Do they claim some sort of cultural continuity with the Aztecs?

Even if that absurd notion would be true, California Texas etc are by no stretch part of the "Aztec" homeland.

Indeed you have your assumptions 100% correct. They believe that miraculously the aztec empire extended into now present day south west USA.

Granted the absurdity is beyond me, by saying that your ignoring far far far to much. First there's a complete nearly impassible mountain desert seperating the aztec empire from Texas-California border. Also they are ignoring that most of the area was under the influence of other very powerful Native American tribes/empires. Most of Texas and Louisiana was under the control of the mound builder culture (sorry I forget the correct name of the tribe) which was quite powerful. At one point they even defeated a spanish expidition. There was also the peublo's and the other related cultures in the area.

What seems to be the most ubsurd thing is, there reasoning for the aztecs to even expand north. South America was far far more richer and easier to subdue then the north. Both the Inca's and Mayans were in decline and were easily conquered. There's just no reason they would have expanded north, and there would have been alot of proof also.

The claim that the land belongs to the original inhabitor is also ubsurd. That area has been ruled by to many countless tribes both big and small since the America's were colonized 20,000 years ago. The land belongs to those who hold it now irrelavent of the past.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This Aztlan movement is confusing to me. Do they claim some sort of cultural continuity with the Aztecs?

Even if that absurd notion would be true, California Texas etc are by no stretch part of the "Aztec" homeland.

They are claiming such a kinship, indirectly, since such a substantial portion of the Mexican population is "mestizo," drawing genetic ancestry from both the Amerinds who preceded the Spanish as well as the conquerors. Strictly speaking, they descend from a number of tribes, many of whom hated the Aztecs and readily fought against them, engendering Cortes' success. The Aztecs were the political "top dogs" of that region at the time of the conquest and did claim to hold sway over what is now the US Southwest -- probably a pretty nominal claim.

The Aztlan movement seeks to establish enough of a sense of cultural kinship among Americans of Mexican descent (and Mexicans squatting on US soil) to create a seperatism movement. It's a variant on the Sudetenland theme for acquiring territory (though in this case pushing for independency as opposed to re-acquisition by Mexico.

[Adrian II]

It's a variant on the Sudetenland theme for acquiring territory (though in this case pushing for independency as opposed to re-acquisition by Mexico.

That is quite an ominous comparison. In practice such movements are often more concerned with internal leverage in the host country than with actual secession. But what do you think would be the reaction in the rest of the US if push ever came to shove?

[Kralizec]

drawing genetic ancestry from...

Yeah, but that's a pretty lousy basis for a territorial claim though. Neither is a strictly nominal claim of centuries back. The only quasi-viable claim I can see is the fact that those areas were nominally part of the Mexican republic for a couple of decades in the 19th century.

If there would have to be an Aztec homeland, aren't there still native tribes who are both culturally and genetically way closer to the Aztecs of old?

[Adrian II]

They want to remove us the aging white population. Its funny how an illegal immagration bill can spark this sort of stupidity. These people seem hell bent on taking something that isnt theres. That they had no help building. The only thing they do is take take take and now they want our country!!!!! My head is about to explode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIW-BZ8oLrk

Welcome back, brother Strike. You were sorely missed.

That is some heady rhetoric. When was this? And where?

Discarding the inevitable fringe professor or Chicano activist, is that truly the mayor of Los Angeles speaking? I did a quick check on Antonio Villaraigosa and I believe he is a former leader (and proud of it) of the Movimiento Estudiantíl Chicano de Aztlán that promotes a secession of the Southwest US.

And then there was Fabian Núñez, 66th Speaker of the California Assembly...

It is hard to believe that men who are supposed to guard the interests of the entire people of their city or state would give such speeches or even take part in such demonstrations.

I try to imagine a mayor of a Dutch city, publicly saying about part of his citizenry: 'They are dying. They are not making babies, it is only a matter of time...' He would be out on his rear and his substitute sworn in before nightfall.