MTW2 MP balance issues

[|Heerbann|_Di3Hard]

I think cav need more speed. Especially the lighter units like mounted sergaent.

Alans and Jinites are too slow. And these shooting cav are the hell, you cannot hunt them because, they can shoot also while they run away. I my opinion, if they can shoot while they run away, they shouldn't hit so many hunting cav. That cannot be. While they flee, they cannot aim any target.

[ElmarkOFear]

Look at all of you: Suckers for another TW game and now having the same type of discussions we had during the STW/MTW days! Some things never change around here I tell ya. Well, I guess you can add me to the TW Sucker list, since T1Master convinced me to purchase the game.

Being an MP-only player I cannot comment on the single-player campaign, but the MP lobby is still the pits, though slightly better than RTW's. The MP is still lacking a good replay, logfile feature set and I still have to mod my files to allow for the older, and better, simplified in-game chat function I enjoyed from MTW.

As for gameplay, I feel the game has improved over RTW's MP. I feel a slight bit more in control of my army. The units appear to react much quicker to orders than in RTW and the pathfinding is a bit better, though some units still get confused and take a longer path than I would like. I also have noticed a few units stopping in mid-battle after I gave them orders to move, or attack. Probably has to do with the new feature where each individual unit assesses its nearby area and decides on a course of action from there.

All-in-all, M2TW is a step in the right direction, and Palamedes appears to have a bit of input into helping improve MP, so I have decided to come back and participate here.

Well, I have been away for a very long time, so I imagine there are quite a few who do not know me, (or care for that matter :) ) I was the only TW player ever to recieve a tennis shoe contract from Nike for my men to wear while on the battlefield. My men run faster and farther off the field of battle than any other. Poor Michael Jordan still sends me hate mail since my men recieved a better contract than his. So fear not, I am back, and ready to build up your confidence in MP. I pride myself on taking overpowered units/armies/factions with a terrain advantage and then proving that I can lose like the newest of noobs. Matter of fact, my men all have smiley faces taped to their backsides so your army will have something to look at as they run away.

Take care and look forward to arguing . . . err . . discussing MP matters with you all.

[Puzz3D]

Look at all of you: Suckers for another TW game and now having the same type of discussions we had during the STW/MTW days!

I haven't purchased it. I saw the nice blue M2TW boxes in the store last weekened, and I wouldn't touch it even to see what it said on the back of the box.

If you want to play like the old days, play Samurai Wars on Sundays. You can't get an overpowered army, but the running away part works fine.

[tootee]

Well, I guess you can add me to the TW Sucker list, since T1Master convinced me to purchase the game.

Nice to see you again elmo

How i wish we can play 4v4 again..

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Look at all of you: Suckers for another TW game and now having the same type of discussions we had during the STW/MTW days! Some things never change around here I tell ya. Well, I guess you can add me to the TW Sucker list, since T1Master convinced me to purchase the game.

Being an MP-only player I cannot comment on the single-player campaign, but the MP lobby is still the pits, though slightly better than RTW's. The MP is still lacking a good replay, logfile feature set and I still have to mod my files to allow for the older, and better, simplified in-game chat function I enjoyed from MTW.

As for gameplay, I feel the game has improved over RTW's MP. I feel a slight bit more in control of my army. The units appear to react much quicker to orders than in RTW and the pathfinding is a bit better, though some units still get confused and take a longer path than I would like. I also have noticed a few units stopping in mid-battle after I gave them orders to move, or attack. Probably has to do with the new feature where each individual unit assesses its nearby area and decides on a course of action from there.

All-in-all, M2TW is a step in the right direction, and Palamedes appears to have a bit of input into helping improve MP, so I have decided to come back and participate here.

Well, I have been away for a very long time, so I imagine there are quite a few who do not know me, (or care for that matter :) ) I was the only TW player ever to recieve a tennis shoe contract from Nike for my men to wear while on the battlefield. My men run faster and farther off the field of battle than any other. Poor Michael Jordan still sends me hate mail since my men recieved a better contract than his. So fear not, I am back, and ready to build up your confidence in MP. I pride myself on taking overpowered units/armies/factions with a terrain advantage and then proving that I can lose like the newest of noobs. Matter of fact, my men all have smiley faces taped to their backsides so your army will have something to look at as they run away.

Take care and look forward to arguing . . . err . . discussing MP matters with you all.

Heyyyyyyyyyyyy Elllllllllllllllllllllllll

I know you would come back to .org sooner or later, you can'y resit the power of.... ORG ,hope to play some games with you on MTW2


Yea, The Units do react faster, and seem the games is slighty more balanced then RTW. But I still can't believe how powerfull the Musketeers are. my god, I would use 4 HA and 1 Trezaiod Archer as Byz Empire against 5 Muskets, and my HA got massarced. in a High Era game ,my HA would PWNT, but in this case,they just got ran over. I was fighting a BK member weeks ago, and he had a nice amount of Muskets, and I had a Unit, 60 guys I presume, and it drop down to 45-49 guys in like, 10 seconds, I'm thinking "my god".

[ElmarkOFear]

Puzz: hehe You have resisted the urge aye? I hadn't bought a TW game since RTW, but I think T1Master used some kind of ancient mind control technique to get past my reservations about this game. Plus my young son has been playing a few custom MTW/VI battles and wanted the new game. I just couldn't resist any longer!

Tootie! Good to see you my old "goldfishy" friend. Don't be discouraged just yet, since we may be able to play a low-lag 4v4 game in M2TW. The thing all MP players need do to prepare for a 4v4, is get into the options menu and change to SMALL UNIT SIZE and the lowest video settings possible. This helps tremendously. I have had one 4v4 game which didn't lag very much using this technique, so there is still hope. Unfortunately, I am still running my old PCs I used for MTW/VI, so I am not the fastest hostest with the mostest anymore. I let others host now.

Hey Warman! Didn't know you were still around. I remember when you were a new player on the scene, and under the impression I knew how to play this game. :) Anyways, I got a rush army that can steamroll over any musket army out there. hehe I imagine, after a few weeks of T1 and myself playing online, there will be outcries for the nerfing of my new favorite units!

Well gentlemen: Take care. I am off to bed. I am on the midnight shift, here at the plant, and was awakened by a contractor come to repair my new house, so I thought I would grab a small snack, jump on here real quick, then hit the sack. Gnight all!

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hey El,

yup I remember when I was around on .com for a short while (at the beginning of 06 and in the Summer) :). You got a army that can streamroll over a Musketeer army? Tell me What it is :-)

[ElmarkOFear]

I wouldn't want to give away all my secrets before T1 and I have perfected our teamwork now! Let's just say, this army is very similar to the old Irish rush army T1 and I had in MTW. The units don't look like much individually, but when used in conjunction with their strong points and special abilities as a whole, it is extremely strong at 10k-12k florins. I haven't tried it at higher levels or lower levels than that, so I cannot say if it stays strong at those levels. :)

[Puzz3D]

Puzz: hehe You have resisted the urge aye? I hadn't bought a TW game since RTW, but I think T1Master used some kind of ancient mind control technique to get past my reservations about this game. Plus my young son has been playing a few custom MTW/VI battles and wanted the new game. I just couldn't resist any longer!

Marc Antony couldn't resist Cleopatra, and look what happened to him. The blue box is very alluring, but I think there is an asp inside.

As Obi-Wan Kenobi once said, "These aren't the battles you want.".

[ElmarkOFear]

As that old drunk who thought he was a philosopher once said; "When you get nothing but lemons: Make lemonade."

I haven't found a replacement MP game which can keep my interest and my son likes the series now, so I figured: "Why not?" If I don't play it, my son will."

I just played my rush army against a 3-man Elite clan team and it worked very well. I will continue to tweak it to see if it is the M2TW equivalent of the old Irish rush army T1 and I once used.

I will have to try your Samurai mod now that you have had time to tweak it. Once I reinstall MTW/VI on this machine I will download it and meet up with you guys to play. Though going between MTW and M2TW may be confusing for me. It also might highlight the flaws of M2TW's MP by comparison.

Well, its good to see you again Puzz.

[t1master]

they're not as cool as the irish, but it will be a fun ride.... i bet i can route faster than you elmo!!!!

good to see some old salts poking around here and in the lobby again. the game is what you make it. right now it's a fun atmosphere and good to meet up with old friends again elmo.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hey,

yea Elmo, we should some 1v1's, and you and t1 should do some 2v2's againt me and my Aggony Clan mates,since I got into Aggony :) :)

[Puzz3D]

the game is what you make it.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

[Cheetah]

ElmoooOOOOooo!!!!

Nice to see you back! This is the best news since the release of MTW2.

Anyways, I got a rush army that can steamroll over any musket army out there. hehe I imagine, after a few weeks of T1 and myself playing online, there will be outcries for the nerfing of my new favorite units!

I just cannot wait to play this army of yours! I still remember your cheesy byz setup fro MTW and how I defeated it ...

[ElmarkOFear]

I never played the byz Cheetah! :) Except for a few times to get even with a few who liked to use all cav armies. You weren't one of THOSE people were you? hehe Good to see you again Cheetah. Can't wait to have you in one of my games and utter those immortal words: "Cheetahs never win!"

I had the cheezy Elmohead All-Missile Army of Doom. I rarely lost with that army until they nerfed the entire faction in the first patch . . . I think Puzz and CBR might have been behind that one! hehe Though nobody I ever knew could play my army and win with it. I knew how to use judicious upgrading and knew how to set up and move my men around to great effect. And all without a single cav unit! :)

Ah! The good ole days of STW/MTW . . . glad I was around for it, considering it won't happen again in my lifetime.

Cheetah, I try to be on around 9 pm eastern standard time each night, so look for an UglyElmo and join up with me. Looking forward to it. I already have played with AMP, Cromwell, Kenchi Shaka, and 3 Elite clan members. All fun games.

[UglyandHasty]

Elmo is sooo into cheese ....

*run away*

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Cheese is good :-)

I see you tonight them Mr.Tickle me Elmo :)

[tibilicus]

Cheese is good :-)

I see you tonight them Mr.Tickle me Elmo :)

Warman in Aggony?

lol..

[Fenix7]

AMP in MTW 2 lobbies?

[UglyandHasty]

well i also played him, so i guess he is back...

Warman is now a 1pain1 ... they make you shine Duck boots ?

[AggonyDuck]

Nope, real ducks don't use boots. Warman's duty is to clean my pond.

[RTKBarrett]

And once again the world proves that nothing is impossible...

[UglyandHasty]

Nope, real ducks don't use boots. Warman's duty is to clean my pond.

LOL , i should have expect that ! Quaaaack mate !

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Warman in Aggony?

lol..

lol don't start


I don't clean Ponds, I just clean my Armour and Various Weapons

[Cheetah]

I never played the byz Cheetah! :)

yes, yes you did In fact it was soooooooooo cheesy that I am not surprised that you want to forget it. Dont you remember those v4 byz inf lined up in single rank "deep" formations? Supported by archers and tons of byz cavs ... shooting up your opponents and then whiping up the floor with the remainers using those v4 one rank deep byz infs? No?!?!

Except for a few times to get even with a few who liked to use all cav armies. You weren't one of THOSE people were you? hehe

You are confusing me with AMP or UglyPolar In fact people kept confusing Polar with AMP. Well, actually once I played an all cav army in MTW and after the battle someone told me that I played like AMP. I never played all cav again.

Good to see you again Cheetah. Can't wait to have you in one of my games and utter those immortal words: "Cheetahs never win!"

Where have you heared this?!? Dont tell me it is your first-hand experince with cheetahs.

And perhaps you ment "immortal last words"

I had the cheezy Elmohead All-Missile Army of Doom. I rarely lost with that army until they nerfed the entire faction in the first patch . . . I think Puzz and CBR might have been behind that one! hehe Though nobody I ever knew could play my army and win with it. I knew how to use judicious upgrading and knew how to set up and move my men around to great effect. And all without a single cav unit! :)

Ah! The good ole days of STW/MTW . . . glad I was around for it, considering it won't happen again in my lifetime.

Cheetah, I try to be on around 9 pm eastern standard time each night, so look for an UglyElmo and join up with me. Looking forward to it. I already have played with AMP, Cromwell, Kenchi Shaka, and 3 Elite clan members. All fun games.

Good to hear that Elites, Kenchies, Fears, AMP are back. And I hope that they all will be staying. Which means that the game is balanced enough to be interesting for them.

I will try to be there.

[Cheetah]

I don't clean Ponds, I just clean my Armour and Various Weapons

So ducky hides his weapons in the ponds. Good to know!!!

[UglyStrike]

ELMO!!!!!!!! It was great to hear from you.

Elmo is digging deep into his old files to find players that can rout faster than him. I believe my Adidias equipped troops more than matched his run off the battlefield. Thou I still believe that him lining his men up facing the rear did give them a unfair advantage.

I have also avoided the game section to avoid buying M2TW. I actually just finally bought RTW w/Barb about 3 months ago. Thou with such a wide range of oldtimers back I may break down and get it. Thou from what I have been reading a groundpounder such as myself stands little chance against the turbocharged Horse units favored by some.

I will have to apply my technology challenged self to figuring out how to get around my firewall/router. (That was a scream for help for those that know me. )

This may be fun, I have really missed the TW games. Good luck everyone and hope to see you soon.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

So ducky hides his weapons in the ponds. Good to know!!!

MY, Hence the Word MY!!
Don't make me go eat ducky for Chirtmass

[ElmarkOFear]

Strike! Buy M2TW and T1 and I will show you the awesome rush army we have been working on. I have had great success with it thus far in both 1v1 and 3v3 games. 4v4 lags a bit too much though :(

M2TW MP is slightly better than RTW so it is worth playing just to see some old pals such as a few Fearful Ways, Kenchi's, Elites, and others. :) Since there isn't anything out now which matches even an inferior TW MP experience, you will still enjoy playing with your Ugly mates.


Cheetah: I vagely remember playing with the byz, and may have tried what you have mentioned, but my poor Alzheimer-riddled brain can't find a good memory of it ever happening . . . Of course, being as unoriginal as I am I must have copied it from you my friend and was giving you back some of your own medicine perhaps? hehe

Remember all: I will be trying to join the M2TW lobby around 9 pm. Eastern Standard time every night possible to see if any of you are on to play with. My PC is still the same as in the MTW/VI days, so you will probably need to host.

I DO have some nice hints to make MP play go smoother and make it slightly less of a hassle to find and play in a hosted game:

1. Please have everyone in the game (especially the host) put their options on SMALL UNIT SIZE. It doesn't change the battles much from normal, but it really decreases the lag of the game.
2. Also, have everyone in the game (especially the host) put their graphics settings on the lowest setting possible. This also decreases lag, since the game plays at the slowest PC's level and the slowest connection speed.
3. Never join a game which is over a 300 ping. Anything over 300 creates a lot of lag for everyone.
4. When hosting please put your name or your clan's name in the game description.
5. Also, put some of the settings such as Unit Size (small, normal, huge), era (Early, Late All), and any special rules such as (No Arty, only 4 units of cav etc) So your game description in the lobby should read something like this:
"UglyElmo, Small, Late, No Arty"

Small things such as these, speeds the finding/joining of games and also helps reduce lag and disconnects once the game has launched.

Happy MP-ing everyone!

Strike: Give me a call sometime. I will PM you with my new email addy, so check your inbox here. :)

[cromwell]

Hey Guys,

Yeah ELmo and I played and then we had a 3v3 with AMP. I was in shock to see AMP in the lobby, so immediately got him in a game. lol

It's good to see all the old names back, I think we already have influenced the lobby/atmosphere while in there chatting away.

I wish I was working a more normal schedule, to get online with you all, however I have to leave it for the weekends for now.

Later

Cromwell