Guilds (and what they do)

[46852]

A strange thing I noticed: The city where you have the "Master" level guild house doesn't get the basic level guild house bonus anymore.

Example: I had Master Thieves Guild in Venice, and Thieves Guild in Genoa => As a result, all my cities get the Master bonus, but in Genoa, my spies get BOTH the global Master bonus and the Basic city-specific bonus (So they are minimum +2 skill at the start).

Correction to this would be that Master guildhouses and HQs should give the global bonus AND in addition the basic guildhouse bonus to agents trained in that city. Otherwise the cities with basic guildhouses will build the more skilled agents, which doesn't make sense.

[ViolentRebellion]

Has anyone gotten the Templars offered to them?

I have a general with a templar and the grand master of the Templars in his entourage but I haven't been offered there guild.

I've completed 2 crusades and have perfect relations with the Pope.

[Morrie]

I was offered the minor Templar guildhouse playing as the Poland. They wanted to set up in Krakowa, after the city had reached its, uh, 2nd stonewall stage. The game is going well in other regards, having taken Jerusalem with a crusade (received templar and hospitalier retinues for my general, probably because I was accompanyed by unit of Templar knights) after which the eggies sued for peace. So I gave them one, at the cost of Acre castle. It was still a generous offer for some reason. Odd.

For what it is worth, I had built many priests from Krakowa, done as the pope had wanted, only attacked rebel settlements, yada yada.

[ArT II]

I was offered St. John Hospitalier Guild in Acre after a succesful crusade and right after building a cathedral in my capital (London). London already had theologians guild. not quite sure if it was linked but it seems logical as well maybe your curent standing with the pope.

[Widget Maker]

The headquaters of the Assassins guild is extremely valuable, it means all my assassins start with 4 eyes normally(I think my king has a retinue member that boosts assassins. Gets rid of the crappy early training and 2-3 kills later they have max stats. As the Venician family have found out to their cost(and a couple of popes, screw elections, they vote the wrong one in then kill him (44% chance for a newly elected pope and a perfect assassin).

[Kobal2fr]

Just making sure, because the question's been nagging me for a while : if you accept, say, a basic merchant guild in your city, will it be eventually upgraded to master's guild / HQ as the population grows and offers come ? Or will you be stuck with a level 1 guild forever because you jumped on the occasion ?

[Quillan]

Just making sure, because the question's been nagging me for a while : if you accept, say, a basic merchant guild in your city, will it be eventually upgraded to master's guild / HQ as the population grows and offers come ? Or will you be stuck with a level 1 guild forever because you jumped on the occasion ?

The offer to upgrade doesn't seem to be based so much on city growth as it does on your continued performing whatever the guild is involved with. While there is a size prerequisite (must be large city to get a Master building and huge to get a HQ), if you stop making/using assassins, you'll never get the upgrades. If you do it a lot, you'll certainly get the Master building (everyone can have one, and even more than one if you capture them), and the HQ if no one else gets it first.

[geala]

My little experiences till now:

- Guilds seem to prefer cities where assosiated units are produced. I built assassins in Frankfurt, priest in Nürnberg and was offered the guilds some time after.

- Of course for a knight guild the above rule cannot be valid. It may be coincidence for this kind of guilds? I was offered to build teuton knight guild in different towns and a castle, being at very bad relations with the pope and without taking part in a crusade or builing churches.

- You can destroy a guild and receive an offer later for another guild in the same town. I destroyed my teuton knight guild in Frankfurt, received an offer to build assassin guild there and for teuton knight guild a little later in Hamburg.

- Even with the best assassin guild the use of assassins is very painful and of not much effort. My +10 assassins are hardly capable to kill pesty inquisitors. Ok, a bit exaggerated, but only a bit. And I hate assassins loosing abilities because of failures, although it's very realistic because nobody in the world is able to learn from mistakes.

[FrauGloer]

So far, as the Scots, I have a Swordsmith's guild in Nottingham and have been offered another in Hamburg, as well as Theologican, Thief, and Explorer in several cities (in London most of all --> they seem to like that one ^^) I haven't participated in any crusades yet (mainly because I've been almost permanently excommunicated for bashing the English, the back-stabbing French, and the pesky Danes), but now that there's a new Pope and my enemies subdued, I'm planning for a crusade to the Holy Land. I really hope to get the Hospitaler guild house soon, as the Scots lack decent cavalry in the later period. BTW: Why would you want Templars over Hospitalers? They are weaker and you don't get the Health bonus the Hospitaler guid gives you.